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The opinion seems to be that this was a witch hunt to hound out and publicly humiliate the offending person well that’s not what happened so let please look at what did happen.
I will say from the start that I asked the original question about if it was a photograph and how it was achieved it matters not one bit about the person having a disability or not . My question was to the artist as I was astonished that he had achieved such a superb looking image and I could not understand how it was done. The answer was that it was a painting I then asked what medium had been used because of interest not as a interrogation and was told it was digital, that’s fine as I quite some digital painting. My view on digital painting are that it takes a lot of skill to use the program etc and it’s still creating a image.
I was later message by a member who explain that the image was actually a manipulated photo and was available on line .
I took the decision to post on the painting that it was not a painting and was not his work , I did this because he had deliberately misled me into believing it was his own work . I would have done the same thing if the person did not have a disability as I believe he has the same responsibilities as everyone else on the site.
Because it was a very unusual thing I had done I de idea to put in this thread the actions I had taken , it was not intended to be a hounding him off the site but regrettably he took the choice to leave the site. I have sent him a personal message suggesting that he stay with use and just be upfront about his work, I hope he responds by doing so. To finish of this long winded comment I am fully aware of the risks to peoples mental health having spent twenty years work with sever and enduring mental health client in the community, but a disability does not excuse deliberately misleading people and the responsibility for doing so is still there. I accept that I’m the bad guy in some peoples view and I do feel guilty about how Michael has reacted but he did so with a lot of dignity and was respectful to us all and I respect him for that.
The question was asked is there moderators on this site yeas there are four volunteers who can remove offensive material from the forum and get rid of spam but cannot layer or remove anything from the gallery. I am one of the four who spend a lot of time clearing up the spam etc, I did not challenge Michale as a moderator I challenged him as a fellow user of the site.
Thank you for reading this message and I hope it settles things down a little bit more and people get on with the enjoyment of painting .
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Right ,wrong . If the original painter/ photographer sees this he / she can sue for breaking copyright laws unless permission has been granted.Quite right, Sylvia. If people chose to put their work out into the big wide world for all to see, it should be up to them to protect it. This download practice is common and has been for many years and is so easy to do, but often a virus comes with it. ' Unless permission has been granted' Before this discussion was started, did anyone check to find out first? This is why there should be a moderator or get in touch with POL.
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As the person who introduced the topic of 'paintings' that I suspected were really just digitally manipulated photographs, I have been following this thread with interest. Whilst Dixie was composing his message above I was re-reading the comments regarding the painting in question. Dixie said nothing offensive. The most challenging comment he made was 'Please show us some or your genuine work'. At that point the artist chose to leave. Do I feel guilty for starting something which caused an artist to leave, no. The artist misrepresented the work not only as his own but as a genuine painting - great detail indeed for an artist who claimed to have started painting only a month or two back. The problem when you fib about your work and experience, you also introduce an element of doubt when you claim to have disabilities. There was no rancour, the artist chose to leave because his deception had been found out. There is no need for deception on this site, artists with even very modest abilities, such as myself, get encouragement and support. And the only genuine criticism I got, from the sadly missed Derek Snowden, was of the distinctly constructive kind.
On reading this thread it is clear that some of us do not believe this is the most appropriate site for digitally manipulated photographs, but no-one has said it should stop. After all we do not make the rules. All that was asked for was honesty.
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by Tony Auffret
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The opinion seems to be that this was a witch hunt to hound out and publicly humiliate the offending person well that’s not what happened so let please look at what did happen. I will say from the start that I asked the original question about if it was a photograph and how it was achieved it matters not one bit about the person having a disability or not . My question was to the artist as I was astonished that he had achieved such a superb looking image and I could not understand how it was done. The answer was that it was a painting I then asked what medium had been used because of interest not as a interrogation and was told it was digital, that’s fine as I quite some digital painting. My view on digital painting are that it takes a lot of skill to use the program etc and it’s still creating a image. I was later message by a member who explain that the image was actually a manipulated photo and was available on line . I took the decision to post on the painting that it was not a painting and was not his work , I did this because he had deliberately misled me into believing it was his own work . I would have done the same thing if the person did not have a disability as I believe he has the same responsibilities as everyone else on the site. Because it was a very unusual thing I had done I de idea to put in this thread the actions I had taken , it was not intended to be a hounding him off the site but regrettably he took the choice to leave the site. I have sent him a personal message suggesting that he stay with use and just be upfront about his work, I hope he responds by doing so. To finish of this long winded comment I am fully aware of the risks to peoples mental health having spent twenty years work with sever and enduring mental health client in the community, but a disability does not excuse deliberately misleading people and the responsibility for doing so is still there. I accept that I’m the bad guy in some peoples view and I do feel guilty about how Michael has reacted but he did so with a lot of dignity and was respectful to us all and I respect him for that. The question was asked is there moderators on this site yeas there are four volunteers who can remove offensive material from the forum and get rid of spam but cannot layer or remove anything from the gallery. I am one of the four who spend a lot of time clearing up the spam etc, I did not challenge Michale as a moderator I challenged him as a fellow user of the site. Thank you for reading this message and I hope it settles things down a little bit more and people get on with the enjoyment of painting .Thank you for your reply, Dixie. I am well aware of the posts concerning this painting. You have had your say, other have had theirs, I've had mine. Onward.
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