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Daler-Rowney make a heavyweight cartridge paper which would work - many papers will work, w/colour paper probably being the best - hot pressed, I suggest, but many interesting effects can be obtained on a variety of papers, and mix of materials.
Pressed post comment too quickly - I've used dip pens on cartridge, usually on the D-R brand of paper in those red and yellow sketch-books: and Chinese ink, applied with a brush, on pencil drawings, where you'd normally use the pencil itself for shading. The really heavy cartridge is probably just about ideal, but the lighter weights work perfectly well.
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by Robert Jones, NAPA
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I have an adaptor for my Rotring Sketching Artpen and I always fill it with Quink Ink. I asked in my artshop about filling it with Chinese or other waterproof inks and they warned me not to do it: danger of clogging and ruin the pen!!! So, if you want to use waterproof inks, use a dip pen or a marker Staedler, Unipin, Edding..... never a fountain pen!
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Apologies if this has already been dealt with in the above - I have finished three OIL paintings on canvas which I like to think are "in the manner of" Robert Polhill Bevan or Degas , they are crowd scenes and I feel would benefit from having fine dark lines around the various outlines . I tried this on one of them using a rigger brush but inevitably the brush spread and the resulting lines are not fine enough . I'm looking for a fine-point pen in several colours and wondered about the Windsor & Newton ones which apparantly use ink . Would these be OK over oils on canvas ? or are there pens which use paint ? . Any help appreciated
Steve Weight
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I don’t know of any Steve, and using ink on top of oil paint will, I suspect, not last long - I’m thinking flaking off etc, that’s if you can get it to flow on successfully in the first place!
The rigger with oil paint is the only way to go I feel, then we have to consider the fat over lean rule! Too thin and same issues down the line. You should be able to achieve fairly thin lines with a rigger, although oil paint can be tricky stuff at times.
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Acrylic paint does not like to adhere to biro and I expect oil doesn’t like it either. So I think the effect could be achieved by using a biro first and painting over. Need to experiment first. By the way I still haven’t been able to get ink out of my Chinese set - getting ink out of a stone is a bit like getting blood out of a stone.
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Alan and Linda , thanks for those comments . I may continue looking for a suitable pen but I am generally in favour of using the accepted traditional methos so for now it will be a rigger and oil paint . I'm not really keen on lines around the edges of stuff but for some paintings it just looks right . Soldiering on .
Stephen weight
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A comment from Linda above has piqued my curiosity - I'm not understanding why you can't get ink out of your Chinese set. So if I state the obvious here, apologies, but it seems to me something is missing. You need the ink stone first of all; then an ink stick; and a little water - enough to make as much ink as you need. You wet the stone, and rub the ink stick against it until it releases as much ink as you need - it's the end of the stick you need to apply (removing any packaging material, although most ink sticks don't have any). Now - that should release ink - if you're not getting any, then I can only think you're not doing one of the things you need to do. By all means send me a private message so we can investigate more closely and find out where the problem lies.
To return to Steven's question of some 20 hours ago now, ink on oil isn't going to work, or at least not for long; acrylic ink would work fine on acrylic paint, though. (This doesn't mean it hasn't been done - just that it's not a permanent answer.) I would suggest using a fine synthetic rigger for this, with thinned paint - it could be thinned with turps and oil, or just oil: it needs to flow evenly, so mash it up on the palette with a palette knife first so that it reaches the consistency required. It could also be applied, using a different technique - e.g. basically printing it with the end of the brush - with a long flat. I haven't tried this, it's just a thought - but it might be possible to load one of those pens whose name escapes me..... a ruling pen, I think. They're quite odd-looking devices, but most art supplies stores carry them. I absolutely can't guarantee that would work, but if it doesn't - well, you can't have too much art equipment, so at least you'll get a ruling pen out of it for other applications where it will work!
Failing that, I confess to being stumped at the moment - it might help if you could send a photograph of what you want to do, plus any attempt of your own to do it; it's often easier to think of an answer when we've got something to look at.