New to painting, doing abstracts. Would appreciate advice

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Hey all. As per the title, really enjoying paintings. I have asked others and they said I seem to be more gestural painting than painting with a concept. Purely swipes with the brush and going with feeling and mood. Wanted more opinions. I mean especially with the second I feel like some people may think 'what is that?' though it does have some meaning to me. Many thanks 

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Study Color.. Make sure you use complimentary colors together... Don't be afraid to use more negative space....  Abstracts often say more with less.... try to find a balance... Asymmetrical composition, but with a harmonious balance... Geometric shapes work wonders...  Right now, they just look like a muddy mess... sorry..   Check out my gallery.. I have a lot of abstracts.. One of my main forms of painting... they have been pretty successful...  People will find their own meaning in every abstract, that is what is great about this form of painting. Don't worry about what others may think your trying to paint.. That does not matter at all.. If it has meaning to you, that is all that matters.. But remember your paintings should be pleasing to the eye, beautiful.. unless you want to intentionally disturb or shock the viewer, which some artist do... But the composition should lead the eye around the Canvas and inspire thought and emotion...
Oh Golly Gosh...are you very wealthy??. So much colour ,so many swipes. You are enjoying yourself. I'm not an abstract person having learned and am still learning a craft. Which in my very umble opinion comes before deciding which path to go down in creating a satisfying piece of work. . There are abstract painters on here who I know treat their work with much thought and consideration. Have you done a basic painting course ?if you have I apologise. If ot you might enjoy it.
First of all, welcome to the forum! I hope to see you around.  I'm not an abstract artist, so I won't comment on it directly. However, if you haven't done so already, I would recommend learning the basic skills of painting, such as drawing, composition, perspective, colours, etc. Its great fun, gives a growing sense of mastery and will inform your art. The best art in any field is inspired (which is why AI can never produce genuine art) and inspiration comes to the prepared mind, so practice is essential, something I've had to learn myself. I like the second work you posted, which reminds me of Kandinsky. My final tip then is to study the work of great artists. Visit art galleries too and see artworks on display. That can be inspiring in itself.
Study Color.. Make sure you use complimentary colors together... Don't be afraid to use more negative space....  Abstracts often say more with less.... try to find a balance... Asymmetrical composition, but with a harmonious balance... Geometric shapes work wonders...  Right now, they just look like a muddy mess... sorry..   Check out my gallery.. I have a lot of abstracts.. One of my main forms of painting... they have been pretty successful...  People will find their own meaning in every abstract, that is what is great about this form of painting. Don't worry about what others may think your trying to paint.. That does not matter at all.. If it has meaning to you, that is all that matters.. But remember your paintings should be pleasing to the eye, beautiful.. unless you want to intentionally disturb or shock the viewer, which some artist do... But the composition should lead the eye around the Canvas and inspire thought and emotion...
Eric Marioneaux on 16/03/2023 05:03:34
Hey Eric. Thanks for the comment. I know what you mean but I don't think I'm going for shapes. But I'd definitely agree it's muddy, I keep smudging it together. But generally it's gestural abstract. There's not meant to be anything... formal I suppose. For the second one I was inspired by Kooning. Some people may say this is a mess I suppose? Not that I'm comparing but just saying I was inspired. Kooning was of course a legendary artist. This is one of his It's called The Visit

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by Sebastian Karamyar

Oh Golly Gosh...are you very wealthy??.  So much colour ,so many swipes.  You are enjoying yourself.  I'm not an abstract person having learned and am still learning a craft.  Which in my very umble opinion comes before deciding which path to go down in creating a satisfying piece of work. .  There are abstract painters on here who I know treat their work with much thought and consideration. Have you done a basic painting course ?if  you have I apologise.  If ot you might enjoy it.
Sylvia Evans on 16/03/2023 06:59:55
Haha I'm not, I should be more careful. I do take thought and consideration for sure, in the strokes themselves. Not for a concept. See Kooning above. I haven't done any courses, even basic. But in some ways I like that I don't have the 'formal' education. I'm coming from a perspective of just a normal person putting paint onto the page rather than learning all the normal techniques. I want to try different things. I'm not one to sit and study all the proper things for a subject, for good or worse. So I guess at this point the paintings will be room for improvement. I think when people see a mess of colours they do think you've just swabbed paint onto something without thought. But I read about gestural painters and that is pretty much what they did. It's so you paint with your subconscious and your emotions 
First of all, welcome to the forum! I hope to see you around.  I'm not an abstract artist, so I won't comment on it directly. However, if you haven't done so already, I would recommend learning the basic skills of painting, such as drawing, composition, perspective, colours, etc. Its great fun, gives a growing sense of mastery and will inform your art. The best art in any field is inspired (which is why AI can never produce genuine art) and inspiration comes to the prepared mind, so practice is essential, something I've had to learn myself. I like the second work you posted, which reminds me of Kandinsky. My final tip then is to study the work of great artists. Visit art galleries too and see artworks on display. That can be inspiring in itself.
Bill Downie on 16/03/2023 07:45:24
Thanks Bill! Unfortunately I can't draw:D so I've just painted. I've sort of picked up a bit of colour, composition, but honestly when I have to learn the basics and study I switch off. I just don't work like that. So I'd probably not paint. So I've looked to the abstract expressionists who seemed to throw it all out the window. Structure, form gone. Just painting with emotion. Gestural painting. Which feels very me. Maybe I'll improve with each painting just by painting. But I appreciate all the comments and I know the most normal way would be to actually learn how to paint! (of course). But...who does say so? I think of David Lynch, people who learned differently and not normal routes. Now he's a painter and filmmaker 
But thanks all. I'll definitely try to look more at colour, composition
Hi Sebastian welcome to the world of painting, as you will discover it certain has its ups and down but the learning process is great. A lot of people on this site are self taught and overtime have become excellent artist , I a bit like yourself tend to find structured learning a bit off putting. The ability to draw even basic drawings is really helpful and certainly helps to develop your painting skills , a lot of painting a basically picture drawn with paint. I would suggest that you get a pad and pencil and just doodle when you have the opportunity, I find these doodles often turn up some ideas for a painting. But as everyone will tell you it up to you and you need to do what works for you . Don’t be put off posting your work even if you don’t get a lot of comments, it’s important to let it be seen by other artists , when you put something on the gallery that is liked you will get a response. Keep at it and have fun learning as you go, do ask questions and seek advice when you feel the need to .
Sebastian....enjoy what you do.  Are you aware of the artist Jackson Pollock. You might enjoy looking him up. I promise he won't make you yawn.
Hello Sebastian, I am hardly one to give advice, but I have just started trying out painting abstracts (after a discussion with a friend, it's a long story!). I have painted figuratively for a quite a few years now and have been drawing ever since I could hold a pencil though am not trained. Because of this I naturally gravitated towards figurative painting and I won't stop doing that. But I am curious and wanted to see if I could produce nice looking abstracts. Unlike you I have ideas in my mind which I want to convey (so I suppose what i attempt is still 'representational'), but I am hoping that having a go with abstracts will help me improve all of my painting. Anyway, the only advice I would give is to think about composition and colour, as others have said, because some images definitely work better than others when these components are employed. I say this as an observer rather than a practitioner as I am still trying it out!! Good luck and enjoy it, that's the main thing .
Hi Sebastian welcome to the world of painting, as you will discover it certain has its ups and down but the learning process is great. A lot of people on this site are self taught and overtime have become excellent artist , I a bit like yourself tend to find structured learning a bit off putting. The ability to draw even basic drawings is really helpful and certainly helps to develop your painting skills , a lot of painting a basically picture drawn with paint. I would suggest that you get a pad and pencil and just doodle when you have the opportunity, I find these doodles often turn up some ideas for a painting. But as everyone will tell you it up to you and you need to do what works for you . Don’t be put off posting your work even if you don’t get a lot of comments, it’s important to let it be seen by other artists , when you put something on the gallery that is liked you will get a response. Keep at it and have fun learning as you go, do ask questions and seek advice when you feel the need to .
Paul  (Dixie) Dean on 16/03/2023 10:24:15
Thanks Paul. I agree it's tough, structured learning isn't for all of us. Thanks, I may try draw some rough shapes. Yeah, it can be hard putting your stuff out there and make you unsure of yourself. Though I think if people liked abstract expressionism it may be different. But it's important I suppose to get it out there 
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