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I agree with what Derek says on another thread . let them get on with the paintings. It would begood to see them work and develope the paintings instead of all the chat.We even had two judges completely disagreeing on the merits of a painting and what do they need a minister for ....giving the last rites?The lady who was put off the painter challenge was not chuffed ,(we could see ) as they kept at least one painter who was the one who should have been shown the door. Why do we watch this programme ...well its to see if it gets any better because they must be getting complaints from real artists I would think.....Syd
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Just seen this on catch-up. Why am I not surprised? Surely one of the prime aims of art is to communicate. The public voted for what appeared to me (despite lousy camera work) to be by far the most exciting and original work on display. Please judges don't try to get her to change - encourage her to develop what she is already doing. Then the narrator announced that the votes were in and we would now get a 'critical appraisal' of the works by the judges. So lets dismiss the voting - after all the judges know better than the thousands who voted - what arrogant pomposity !!
The trouble is I'll probably end up watching the next programme - I just love a good grumble !!
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So, Round Two....observations, mine: (can be shot down as desired but will post anyway) :hehe:
The most art-worth painting of the night for me, Susans widly colourful and decidedly frame worth tree, was dismissed by the judges in a way that almost had me switch off. We have an admittedly world-class portrait painter, who obviously is a detail freak as she must be for her highly detailed and mirror accurate work, judging a contest where supposedly the contestants are painting what they see (as long as it looks exactly like what they are painting despite personal views, personality and levels of skill etc) and in fact are doing nothing of the sort. The weekly wail from me..Show them a subject and stand back and let them paint it for xxxxx sake! How else can they be judged if all they're doing is paint by instruction from two floor walking advisors? Surely in a competition of this sort personal interpretation is the only thing they can be judged on? I was almost (but not quite) hoping Una would appear to lighten things up, because the whole judging thing is a joke. I did like Anil's work, but he's no newcomer to things judging by his gallery. Bokani's very simplicity (another that would stand framing and hanging) got the bullet and the rest were criticised rather then judged on merit. . The first part, ( practise fortunately) to paint two dogs who wouldn't keep still, well, what can I say? I do wish I couldn't watch, but I will because it's still one of the most intesting things on T.V (I only missed the chat part of the golf anyway) :hehe:
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I've just watched the second programme - as I loathe still life, I gave the first one a miss - may watch it later.
The trouble I have with it is the same as last time, basically - mentors who aren't up to much simply confusing them. Pascal Anson may or may not be a good painter, I don't know - but his introduction of underpants and Dianne Wotsit's use of twigs, feathers and so on, simply mired the contestants in excessive concern about methods and materials: and then the judges are left observing, correctly, that some of them just aren't looking at the scene in front of them. Well no - because they're hung up too much on how to paint it.
The judges - in this case at least - were the best part of the programme.
As for the Rev .... I don't care whether he wears his dog-collar or not, some do, some don't, but I do wish Mr Anson would get himself a change of wardrobe - quite why I don't know, but I find him exceedingly irritating in that red boiler-suit.
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To be suitably solemn for a second (that's yer genuine alliteration, that is..) I think Richard Coles wears his collar, and has himself referred to as The Reverend Richard Coles when he appears on TV) because for him it's a form of bearing Christian witness - if one wished to be cynical, one could call it advertising but I believe that WOULD be cynical. I'm not religious at all, but was many years ago. Priests back then would invariably wear their collars - which I'm not sure isn't preferable to the abandonment of the collar .... because without it, you can never be sure that there's not a vicar creeping up on you...
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Ray is a little treasure, and I hope he lasts through the series, but - I don't think he will. My ability to remember names is not what it was - mind you, it's the only example of fading powers .... I think.... but the lady from N Ireland has some talent: I liked her tree, but - she made it up, out of her head, really. Sylvia's 'very large lady' (I hope she ISN'T a member here, or Sylv's in trouble!) also has considerable abilities, as has the Asian/Indian gentleman who supports Leicester City FC. And the lad with ocular albinism at least has a good sense of scale. For the rest - well, no, I wouldn't bet on any of them.
I do admire their courage though, on reflection - would any of us do this? I know I wouldn't, because I hate being told what to do by whipper-snappers or anyone else: but I'd have loved to paint in that Arboretum .... AND I've painted and drawn dogs from life, too..... But getting enthusiastic about a still life is now beyond me.
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I really don't like being the odd one out or being seen as argumentative, but I'm disagreeing with some views here. Is art (as in painting in this instance) not about being creative and individual? Did Turner, Van Gogh or Monet paint to rule? What on earth is the point of entering a national painting contest to be restricted in your choice of medium, style or methods? If the contestants are in need of tuition of any sort during the contest, then what are they doing there in the first place? To turn out a photographic work that is the same as everyone else's is absolutely pointless and back in the school of Trees are green, sky is blue etc. Not my idea of art at all. To ensure fairness most tests almost isolate the contestants from talking to each other, is this a test of skill or not. More to the point, would you hang any of these paintings on your wall or buy them in an art shop ot exhibition? Let them all be judged on what they turn out, not what red boiler suits or others have as personal choices. Tell them what the challenge is and let 10 pairs of eyes (or whayever) see it as they do. At least the results will be about the artist and not some clueless modern day William Collins...
Amen.
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Well, what I want to know is what happened to Lachlan Goudie. Are they getting a different person to partner Daphne each week? I thought it was interesting. The artists are being forced to paint to a brief to check if they know the basics I suppose. I'm not sure I would want to learn on how to do things on TV.
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