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From an idle painter.....
Does anyone still use Dalerboard? Indeed, can it still be got? I could find mountboard when I searched for Dalerboard, but not (so far) the boards on which so many of us used to paint years ago, before actual canvas board became more popular and a more normal surface. You had to get them in a frame pretty quickly, because the corners were highly vulnerable to damage - even a slight knock could cause a lot of damage.
I've no intention of going back to them even if they are still made, I'm just curious - and thinking of very beginner painters, for whom Dalerboard was cheap enough that you could afford to make mistakes as you were learning.
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No, I certainly don’t but it would appear that they are no longer made!
I vaguely remember using them, but wouldn’t swear to it…there’s Daler Mountboard of course, but that isn’t a support… well it could be!
This is all I can find online, not particularly helpful. (See below)
On reflection Robert, I’m confusing it with the mountboard, I don’t believe that I ever remember a product called Dalerboard, but if you’ve used them in the past, then they must have been available!
Daler Boards
Sadly, this iconic range will soon be no more.
We have an alternative product in Winsor & Newton Canvas Boards.
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You have to remember I first started painting when I was around about 15, and I'm now inching, ever so reluctantly, towards 74 - Dalerboards were made by the Daler company, which was taken over by George Rowney & Sons, as was: their product was a treated surface, with characteristic smell, fused onto fairly thick cardboard. It was a pleasant surface to paint on, long term viability dubious. I still have a couple of paintings on these boards, and I've sold quite a few in my time: I hope they're still in good nick, as the ones I've kept (translation: couldn't sell) are. (If they're not, and any ex-customers are watching, well - you've had several decades out of them, but if you like, I'll do 'em again on Belle Arti panels...).
I see from Alan's edit/addition that they have indeed gone the way of all flesh, and will wear black mourning for the rest of the day..... as said already, I've no desire to use them again, but I did a lot of my learning on them; and at one time, they were everywhere; surprised Alan hadn't come across them, but then he went to art college and I doubt they would ever have recommended them even for students. Should there be anyone out there who has paintings on Dalerboards - do get them into a frame: once those corners go, there's nothing you can do to repair them.
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Thanks Alan I’ve just started an experimental painting on it, will do wet in wet and dry brush etc to seE what it does .
This is the basic idea and some base colours added, still a long was to go but I’m more interested in how it preforms rather than what the painting looks like to be honest.
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by Paul (Dixie) Dean
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Does anyone remember Whatman Board, or indeed Whatman watercolour paper, often in pad form and spiral bound. Predominantly brown and gold front cover.
I bet Robert will…
The board was particularly thick, probably double the thickness of mountboard, perhaps a touch less!
Fabulous paper, although not an easy paper for the beginner. They went out of business donkeys years ago now, up until recently, I had a small pad which I found in an old college portfolio, I used it up in no time…
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Yes, I remember Whatman paper - if only they still made it, but it was expensive back in the day, and would probably be prohibitively costly to make today. I was never primarily a painter in watercolour, but I seem to remember using the paper for one or two; frankly, it was wasted on me at the time; it was a lot better a surface than I was a painter. I think both Edward Wesson and Rowland Hilder used it sometimes, though couldn't swear to that.
The Artboard - I would assume it's a very smooth surface to work, on; Paul - your painting is looking good, is it finished? It could easily be, it works well. Very different from Dalerboard by the way - I think it was suggested that this was what I might have meant, and it really isn't: Dalerboard was for use with oil; it had subdued weave - not that it was woven, it was basically a treated paper - it enabled a lot of detail, if details were what you wanted, but also worked with chunkier paint application; can't remember if I did any knife painting on it ... I have a feeling it wouldn't have worked quite so well for that, but - all academic now, of course, given it's not made any more.
There was another board, I forget who made it (and why!) with a very fine, pitted surface, advertised as being for use with oil and acrylic - it was like painting with toothpaste when you took acrylic to it - whatever you did with the paint, this surface just drank any fluid, and if you didn't use any water or medium, applying badly-mixed cement to a dry old brick wall came to mind. THAT'S not made any more either, thank goodness. Surfaces for paintings have come along a fair old way in the last 50 years; watercolour papers have been good for a long time, though you have to find those that suit your technique; boards for acrylic and oil have been unsatisfactory by comparison, though have improved a lot. I'm in search of oil-primed board at the moment - I know it's out there, but I haven't so far found it in the size I want.
By the way, while I'm here - I've had a lot of uploading problems; a Windows update played merry hell with my photo software, so I haven't put much on the gallery lately - surfaces to paint on can be the least of our problems.
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Robert the Artboard has a smooth surface but with a slight tooth if I make sense, it’s not dissimilar to a decent quality watercolour paper .
No the painting isn’t finished yet, I did a little bit more earlier, finding it hard to focus on painting at the moment therefore just dabbling with it.
I like how the board is working so far and I will feedback when I do anymore work on it as I really experimenting.
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