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A post which might be described as contentious - among other things - suggests that we are saccharinely sweet and supportive to each other here. I have - as is my wont - reflected on whether there's any truth in that; the possibility that we're becoming a cosy and coy coterie....
Of course, I'm about to find us Not Guilty: always best to start with the verdict before you've considered the evidence - possibly I've slightly misunderstood the cornerstone of English justice there, but pressing on....
Of course it's a danger, in any forum, any group, any art class - not so much in any political party, of which I have quite different experience - that people will huddle defensively like musk-oxen contronted by a pack of wolves. (In political parties, the wolves are within, and gnawing at your ankles.) I don't think the "supportive" element is a bad thing, for so long as it doesn't lead to the massaging of egos, or the avoidance of needed truth. It may be that the person making these observations, whom for the sake of argument we will name Justin, believes that we flatter each other - bask in the warm glow of complacency - will not say if, for example, a work posted is actually a stinker..... I don't know if that IS what he meant, because he wasn't entirely specific; following his comments through, he suggested the forum was generally boring, and I suppose it can be: most human discourse tends to be pedestrian, illuminated by occasional flashes of, if not brilliance, then at least interest. It's just that he didn't notice the "interest" part. Well, fair enough, and other clichés... that's what he thought, that's what he said, and he got a response which was, in all conscience, gentle, and supportive, if not saccharine, enough for most people. Possibly not much need to keep stirring the pot, but there we are.
It's good for a forum - and all those previously indicated groups - to take a look at itself now and then; and of course we have the occasional slightly daft conversation; and of course we have got to know each other, so far as one can on social media, and do not say what might be on our minds, or at least give free-rein to it. For example, one might suggest that Jones is a wordy old bore who long ago fell in love with the dictionary and touch-typing - would I be hurt by that (try it and see...)? Well perhaps, if it were said with malice; but as it's generally true, no, I wouldn't. Much.
We don't say such things though because we don't need to: I wouldn't wander into your living room and start disparaging your soft covers and scatter-cushions; nor would I remark that you seem to be a stranger to furniture polish.... It's unnecessary and provocative. What Justin dislikes is what most of us would think of as social lubricant - just the amount of semi-sincere oleaginousness that one needs to get through the average day. Of course any social media forum that wishes to keep its members will have a soupcon of that; and perhaps it can cloy now and then. JT is perhaps not a man who plays by others' social rules - but perhaps it's worth his reflecting that without them, no forum, no group, no joint place of work, can function.
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It's a choice to be here, it's as simple as that. People are at all different levels of their art and if some people find, some of it, is not good enough, it shows a lack of understanding of how to nurture and point people in the right direction to improve their art. Not only that, whether it's good or bad art, people put time and effort into it and that should be respected and not scoffed at. It's about encouraging people, not bringing them down. People should be constructive instead of moaning. If they think something needs improvement, that's fine, come through with some ideas and fix it.
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Well said indeed Denise! We have a choice, it’s not mandatory to join in…
I’ve helped, well I’ve tried, to help people progress and hone their skills on this forum if they ask for advice.
Generally they take my advice, and that of other artists who join in also with their own take etc… this is what I find the most enjoyable and satisfying aspect of this forum.
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by Alan Bickley
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I have had lot's of help and advice and the constructive criticism I have had, when I have asked for it, has been very beneficial in my learning and development and has given me the opportunity to keep moving on with my art. Also the site has so many other things going on, community videos, exercises in all media to practice, there is so much to learn here for all levels.
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by Denise Cat
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All fair comment Robert. I normally work to the ‘if you can’t say anything nice’ school of thought, or at very least if I can’t say anything nice I try and be constructive. The only time that tends to fall down is if something particularly riles me, and I instantly regret posting the majority of those (and quite often delete them before posting).
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The one thing about the forum that I have always liked is the friendliness , encouragement and the support that is offered.
We are all very different and come from different backgrounds, educational abilities, cultural differences etc the one thing we have in common is art be it oil, watercolour, sketch , Lino cut etc this has created a sort of bond for want of a better word.
In the same way that we would encourage a person we know and work with in developing their artistic skills we support each other through praise and encouragement. If I can’t say something positive about someone’s painting then I don’t comment nor do I give criticism unless it’s asked for. There are certainly people that we get along with on the sight better than we do others but that inevitable and it’s what happens in life. I hope that people reading this thread will feel that they are being supported and given encouragement even if it occasionally sound over the top and very sweet . Like every one Justin is entitled to his views about the forum and how it seems to appear to him, unfortunately he chose to go public and added to it by insulting one of the forum members . Why he chose to do so only he will know and if it was just to see the reaction he would get then it’s quite sad he felt the need to put a spanner in the works . I personally would ask people to continue encouraging each other and don’t be put off from being positive in your support and lastly ( thank god I hear) to be respectful and mind our manners by observe social norms.
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I’m from the school of ‘if you can’t say anything nice, shut the well up’… but also I’m often afraid of saying what’s in my mind. For example … if discussing techniques etc, I wouldn’t dare admit to you all that I use a sharpie pen on my canvas ( there…, I said it…. Now waiting for the gasps of horror at my total arty unprofessionalism… 😂).
I also use a hairdryer on my paintings.(I’m just impatient)
I also don’t like Turner.
Each to their own!
Shoot me down in flames right now (I do, however, like gin, and have had a few this fine evening, so apologies for that)
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by Helen Martell
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Sharpies on canvas are actually NOT a very good idea, but of course you know that but have yielded to the truth that they can be helpful. Pardon the pedantic note, but just in case anyone else was thinking of taking to them..... I can live with your dislike of Turner, especially if you'd consider sharing your gin bottle, and the only time I'd worry about hair-dryers on paintings is if you're using oil; might not be too good an idea with thick acrylic, either, but plenty of us use them to speed up the drying of watercolour and water-based paint.
Sharpies, be it said, are fun to use - but bleed through paper, and might well damage the priming of canvases. Pity, but there it is.
If it's confession time - I am not hooked on Dalí, Picasso (largely because he painted and drew - and sold - too much Dreck among the gold), Kandinsky, or - oh come on, find someone controversial for whom your dislike might actually shock - or - or - no, I give up: I actually admire the vast majority of artists. Damn, I was hoping to stir up a bit of argy-bargy there. Kahindé Wiley (or something like that): really don't like him, but i doubt that he's widely known outside of the USA. Paints presidents and the like, surrounded by exotic foliage - ghastly. Well done in its way, but ghastly. Then for a really rotten painter, the late Thomas Kinkaid (spelling probably wrong, but he's not worth the trouble of getting it right).
Anyway, I run on, as I will if no one thinks to throw a bag of spanners at me.
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