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Good work, Robert.
> Deliberately Designed<
I should think many objects an artist comes upon will provoke an aesthetic response.
The new and special reality that grows from our response cannot be copied, it must be created. A creative copy as the artist sees it - I would say artists paint the world around them, if their art must be created then we enter the world of 'fantasy'
>Communicate Life<
The world does not need another painting - crazy talk.
When producing art we all see things differently even if it is the same subject,
Through your paintings human life is intensified, handed on to others - a conceited opinion. If we painted our vision of how things could be if they were in order, the natural world, in my opinion, would be the order of things...and that would be worth handing down.
>It is the activity itself<
That is not true in my experience. Wish it were.
>The quest for beauty requires craftsmanship<
This paragraph for me is to long - winded.
Put simply - beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I don't think you have to have years of mechanical skills to produce a pleasing piece of art. Some have a natural talent.
>Failure is a stimulus<
I agree with this but again I suppose it depends on the individual and how much effort and time a person wants to spend on improvement.
>The artist lives by wits<
Few pursuits depend on the cell - WHAT?
Painting is a fight for a personal life - really!
*sighs*
*sipps coffee*
*moves on*
>A work of art is a symbol<
When he says symbol, is he delving into the world of the abstract painter? Tricky.
When painting we create a likeness of what we see. That goes with out saying, Don't know where he's coming from here,
>Each artist is self taught<
To a certain degree. This paragraph is much the same as the fifth. I should think we all learn by trial and error.
These 'Convictions' would make a good discussion with fellow artists and a few bottles of good malt :)
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by carol
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Failure is a stimulus - Well in some yes but in others it can put them off - with me it's those odd bits in a painting that work that spur me on whereas bits that don't can be a bit depressing - it all depends on the individual - so another of his 'rules' that doesn't apply to everyone!!
I printed it off and keep going back to it and the more I read it the more I wonder what on earth he is talking about - so much of it is simple gobbledygook
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by MichaelEdwards
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I don't know whether to treat that as a serious question or a joke:
Joke = maybe he's Pretty Damn Funny? I can think of another "F" word... but I's done enough ...
Serious - the file is called frank webb and the extension is pdf - so it's a pdf file called frank webb - the same as if it were a picture of him called frank webb.jpg.
Now - I can't tell, were you being serious?
Posted
Sometimes I can't tell - what is obvious to me isn't to others (and I say that without any condescension)
PDF is a file format - like JPG or PNG or DOC - we all should be familiar with JPG at least.
The file-name is divided into two areas - name and extension. The name is "Frank Webb", the extension (which denotes file-type) is PDF
Just like a prgram is called - Photoshop.exe... photoshop is the name, exe means "executable". (the other three letter extension mean things too - PNG, for example, is Portable Network Graphics.
And it's "Eggy Deg" - a kiddy name... "What do you want for brekkie, love"? "EggyDegs, please, Mum!" - I was being a little childish and a lot silly...
Posted
I always seem to stir people up with my posts, in asking for opinions I didn't expect so much unlimited abuse against an artist who was not in a position to defend himself or his opinions.
I think that Frank Webb was describing how he sees his work, I don't think he was trying to define any part of it or expect to be regarded as an arbiter or a final authority. If you don't agree with any opinion you can always express it by giving particular reasons as many have. One particular reponse seems to say more about the character of the giver than of what they are criticising.
I think that I will never understand why one or two members of the forum get so emotional about the opinions of other people they don't agree with.
Some of us can disagree, in some cases in great detail, without feeling they have to use a diatribe of derogatory words expressed in an a way that sits badly in what is usually a civil and friendly forum.
I anticipate that this post in its turn will duly receive a most unfriendly response.
Sadly
John
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I think that I will never understand why one or two members of the forum get so emotional about the opinions of other people they don't agree with.Becasue his opinions were worded as convictions - dictatorial wording will always get my fur ruffled. And.. becasue he engages in the worst forms of ArtWaffle - that horrible pseudo-intellectual wording that also rubs fur backwards.. THIS:
A found object such as a piece of driftwood might provoke an aesthetic response but it is not art. Nor is it just a copy of a beautiful object, Art is a deliberate creation of the new and special reality that grows from your response to life. It cannot be copied; it must be created." ..... The world does not really need another picture. It needs your vision of how things could be if they were in order ... Through your painting human life is intensified handed on to others.The act of choosing to paint a piece of driftwood IS a "deliberate creation" - you could have gone "meh" and walked away from it... but you chose to paint or sketch it. That fulfils his "art is a deliberate creation" - and the words "of the new" are meaningless - if you sketch it then your sketch IS new. And, given this:
Aesthetic: - the philosophical theory or set of principles governing the idea of beauty at a given time and place: the clean lines, bare surfaces, and sense of space that bespeak the machine-age aesthetic; the Cubist aesthetic. 6. Archaic. the study of the nature of sensation.Surely that is one of the definitions of art - the aesthetic response - good or bad, like it, hate it, it's ART. So his driftwood picture that "might provoke an aesthetic response"... then becomes art by HIS own wording... then he's dictates that "it is not art" Meaningless words = massive art waffle. But the worst of it all is the totalitarian wording - the static and definite finality of it all - "It cannot be", "it must be", "but it is not art"
I anticipate that this post in its turn will duly receive a most unfriendly response.Not from me - I wasn't attacking you, just his wording and "holier than thou" worded opinion/convictions. I'm happy to try to explain why I got the shits.
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by Fluffbutt