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No, nothing about my secret vices; I'm too old for most of them now anyway. But about things like open doors or gates in paintings, not putting barriers in front of the viewer - there's a rather lovely painting in acrylic on George Cutter's gallery; it's a rural scene, with hedgerow and a fastened gate.  Some have suggested the gate might perhaps be open - and we know the thinking there: painted barriers can act like physical barriers and give the viewer the impression that the scene is closed to them and might put them off.  There is something in this - indeed, there's quite a lot in it; but if we all do it, does it not become a cliché?  Like the statutory addition of three birds - not two, not four, but three; because - well, that does tend to work better than an equal number.  But let's stick with gates etc for the moment. I think George's painting, which appeared in a thumbnail in the More By section, when I was looking at one of his ink drawings, works perfectly well with the gate shut, and that it better represents reality; living in a rural area as I have in the past and now do again, you realize that gates aren't just there for rustic charm - they keep the cows from invading your back garden and taking your washing line for a walk; they keep cattle and sheep off the roads; they're more often closed than open. Now, OK - the picture is the thing; what benefits the composition is what matters.  But, just to be argumentative, I'm not sure that the ever-open gate might not be a compositional trick that's been rumbled - one of those compostional clichés we all employ, like the birds, the spot of red in the distance, the little man and his dog.... all features that I've used and that most of us have used; they're only undesirable if they're intrusive, out of place, added because we were aware of a bit of a hole that needed filling (mind you, if there is a hole that needs filling, well - fill it!).   Two things at work here - a reaction to comments made on the painting, plus another comment on a work recently published in Paul's past inspirations posts: one of us wondered about the inclusion of a man and his dog in a watercolour - take a look and you'll see it.  We'll all carry on doing what we're doing, I'm sure - my only point here is that just because a practice we normally employ hasn't been employed in a given case, it's not necessarily true that it should have been. There are more than enough double negatives in that paragraph and in this argument to keep us going all day, but confused though it be, I did feel there was a point worth making in there somewhere: even if you have to dig with earth-moving equipment to uncover it.
Robert I see your point about what is considered the norm , like George I have done painting with gates closed and stone walls across the front if the painting.  I do so as it’s realistic particularly if as you said the field is full of cows or sheep , yes it does create a barrier as such but the viewer makes their mind up about it being shut quickly and either accept that it’s right for this particular painting or not .   it can also have the effect of oh I have to go through that to see what’s beyond ., I certainly will continue to add gates, trees etc that  a partial barrier if it’s best for the scene .
I don’t, ever, put a barrier in the foreground…fences, hedges, stone walls and the like! It can work but I avoid it at all costs, it’s risky! Most of my country lane type of compositions tend to depict a lane in perspective, running up into the middle ground say, so any gates running alongside the lane will be firmly shut in these scenarios. As for open or shut gates in general, I’m undecided as I adopt both. As a general rule, gates in the distance I tend to show closed. Middle distance I will often leave open as an invitation for the viewer to walk through! It’s what looks right of course, as always, there are no hard and fast rules here, although plenty of guidance and opinions written in art books. I’ve found this fairly recent watercolour of mine where I’ve left the gate open, an invitation to walk through… Another one showing the lane in perspective, so I’ve kept the gate shut running along the hedge, and open in the middle distance! I’ve found a couple of my plein air charcoal sketches where I’ve copied the scene in front of me… which somewhat contradicts my earlier statement regarding a barrier…looks fine to me!

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by Alan Bickley

Alan your last two examples show what I was clumsily saying that sometimes the scene is fine with a gate etc shut as it doesn’t impact on the view . As you were rightly saying  in different words no rules for or against but down to the judgment of the artist . 

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by Paul (Dixie) Dean

I'd happily walk through any gates in your lovely landscapes Alan. As for the closed ones in the sketches, I'd make short work of climbing over them! Actually, the two closed ones didn't act as barriers to me as there was enough taking the eye through to the scene beyond the gates, and off into the distance.
And there you are, and there you have it - impenetrable barriers would be a mistake - but if you know what you're doing, a closed gate isn't really that impenetrable - there are examples of all kinds in the work of Seago, Wesson, and Beningfield, to name but a few.  George Cutter addressed the issue himself, in replies to comments; a variant is the stout gate resolutely guarding a path - with the wreckage of a fence lying next to it; it's not exactly a big deal, however you do it - but my view of "rules" is: they're fine so long as they aren't invariable.  George pointed out that the line of the gate formed an inobtrusive continuity with the hedgerow (go and take a look to see what was actually said) - it helped that it was painted in a warm Light Red, or Burnt Sienna: a lump of Payne's Grey glowering at you certainly wouldn't have worked; but that's not what he did.  And those who made the point - had a point.   I doubt that Alan Bickley REALLY avoids risks in his work, but even so - I take his point too, of course: it's very easy indeed to shut the viewer out of our paintings without ever meaning to - the more ways in, the better; but - I stick to my own point as well; if we always do the same thing because we think we're supposed to, whether it's that trio of birds, the man and his dog (it nearly always IS a man, too, had you noticed?  And usually a small dog, not a whopping great Rottweiler!), the other features we make a point of always incorporating can turn into the worst of all things, a habit. There are usually excellent reasons for rules - I deliberately broke one (daring little thing!) recently, by placing an object dead centre in a painting, (which of course Alan noticed!) offsetting it by another object nearer to or on the golden section; a centred object, in a more or less square canvas, is something we'd be warned against, and I'd warn against it too, usually.  But on this occasion, the little devil on my shoulder whispered "go on; you know you want to!" - so I did.  I'm not claiming this as a piece of wild artistic innovation - one is not, I thank you, a Fauve!  Still - it gave me a little frisson at the time - and as the years roll on, these are fewer than they used to be..... 
Robert I think there is a little bit of us that thinks I know I shouldn’t have a shut gate but I’m going to shut it anyway I know when I’m doing it . However it does seem to work occasionally and I have had it commented on by several people over time that it’s worked despite that it shouldn’t, but I do think about it and if it’s not right then I do t do it in that painting I must  I don’t t make a habit of painting walls or gates etc across the scene I’m at risk here of people thinking I do . Trouble is now folk will be looking at my work to spot the barriers, ooh dear that rather like shooting my self in the foot .