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Bari Marsh

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Pencil sketch for a pen and ink using Micron fineliners and Copic multiliners 20x30cm drawing on hotpress paper..

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Making a start on the ink

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Finished the brickwork..loving these new pens.
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Robert Jones, NAPA

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Fancy doing all that work with a bottle and dip pen?  Obviously people did, in the distant past -but sooner them than me.

Bari Marsh

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Same could be said for grinding your own paint and working by candle or oil lamp..how lucky are we..putting that aside I think I've just about finished just  needs a day of looking at to spot any details missed...

Alan Bickley

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Fancy doing all that work with a bottle and dip pen?  Obviously people did, in the distant past -but sooner them than me.
Robert Jones, NAPA on 28/12/2021 10:01:25
But I love these dip/mapping pens Robert, different thicknesses of expressive lines bursting with character… not a straight line to be had and splatters of ink everywhere  - wonderful! Admittedly you can’t produce an architectural drawing with them, but I don’t want to… I’m currently working on a double feature which includes demonstrating the use of the humble dip pen for a later edition in The Artist, they’re such great fun to work with.

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Bari Marsh

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I was taught to write with a dip pen and ink well 73 years ago any splatters or drips got you a good hiding and as a left hander I was forced to write with my right hand, bad days that stay with me so no drips or splatters on my work. 
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Robert Jones, NAPA

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I have a fine selection of dip pens, in an old cigar box - and a big bottle of Kandahar drawing ink.  So  certainly I use dip pens, and now and then will work for a week or so just making ink drawings. What I would NOT do is a drawing like Bari's with those pens: it isn't that it couldn't be done: Tenniel, for example, would have used dip pens and could draw just about anything with them, and a version of Bari's drawing could have been done with a dip pen: but - he's gone for some precision here - you could probably do it with dip pens, Alan, but I don't think I could!  My line would wobble - not always a bad thing at all, it can add a bit of life and idiosyncrasy, but there's a variety of line, and then there's a line veering off in an entirely weird direction; or worse - several lines together as one tried to correct a mistake in very black ink..... and somehow, one's objects get bigger and bigger to try to hide the bad line. This conversation by the way has had me looking at my cigar-box full of dips, and reaching for the ink..... So that's a watercolour planned, an oil portrait to finish, and now a play with pen and ink on the cards - at least there's no artist's block here...

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I was also taught to use a dip pen about as many years ago.  I rebelled..  
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Robert Jones, NAPA

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Bari, you and me both - my experience with ink (I was briefly ink monitor, he said proudly, but then they allowed cartridge pens and everybody used them) was a bit less than 70 years ago; more like 65: but I remember the stuff - blue-black it was ... and certain boys stuffed blotting paper in the inkwells,  which you had to fish out if you saw it, or get ink over the whole desk top if you didn't, because of course the well overflowed.  

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I do remember digging ink pellets out of my hair Robert…

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I couldn’t do it Robert, dip pens aren’t the stuff of architectural style drawings or great detail -  but I don’t draw that way as you well know by now!
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