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Morning Groovers,Do any of you fine artists have a little movie of your art on 'Youtube'?It's not hard to make one with 'windows movie maker'.I made this little flick up yesterday. See what you think -http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGgGlAQLnYkIt's all good fun.Paint on folks.
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Hard to answer this, because all of us respond differently to different brands of paper. However, Bockingford extra rough is indeed pretty rough - which I like, especially for landscape. However, if you want a smoother paper, NOT or hot-pressed paper will suit you; and there's also cold-pressed paper, for a slightly textured surface. Cockling can be limited by stretching lighter sheets of paper - taping them to a board, and wetting the surface; or some soak paper in the bath and lay it on a board to dry, with or without taping it.... I find that an extremely soggy performance, personally.
A heavier weight of paper will help to avoid cockling, 300gsm upwards - heavier papers tend to be considerably more expensive - and of those, Arches paper is especially good. You can also buy paper in blocks, sealed around all four sides apart from an aperture in which you can insert a paper-knife to separate it from the block when you're done. This should prevent cockling altogether (but it doesn't always!) especially for the heavier weights.
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For me, I soak everything.Tried using even 200lb without soaking and couldn't stand that it even cockled slightly but I have seen demos of people painting without soaking and it can be done-just not by me it seems.I am of the impression that apart from hot pressed, there is just NOT or rough.Bockingford although called Extra Rough is in fact just the same as all other "normal" rough paper. As Robert said, the NOT and to a greater extent the Rough helps with landscapes and also with rocks as discussed in your other thread Lizzie.
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Larry
I have tried the langton it is white but it does not suit my way of painting
I took some to the art class today and found the drying time was to long ,
yes the room was hot .the large fan was on .Try the tongue on edge test /
with arches I find it dulls my paintings off and .the saunders goes limp to much for my liking, mind you it is made of rag what can one expect ,If I need a cream paper I will put a cream wash on ,nudge nudge.)
I like the Bockingford best and I had an order delivered this morning from K,B,s
it was the 250 lbs the heaviest they sell .but no description of the surface on the label ,, I believe it is the not.,,, great . I do like the not.,,as you know J,F,W,liked to use not ,,I also use the rough., I have tried it tonight and I like it ,I,m back to my old favourit ,the sooner my arches and sounders is used up the better .
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Ruth - I cheat; I tape the top of the paper to a ply board with masking tape (because I can peel it off again; others would use gummed paper, and cut through when finished with a stanley knife), then apply water with a big hake brush, usually: sometimes I spray; when the paper begins to curl slightly, I add tape to one side, then the other, with a final piece along the bottom having pulled gently at the bottom of the paper so it's as tight as I can get it. Then I leave it to dry.
This is a slightly idiosyncratic method; drawbacks are that the masking tape tends to lift, so has to be stuck down again, but - I'm fairly happy with the results.
You can of course get a paper stretcher, but I think they're limited to a couple of paper sizes (although there's nothing to stop you trimming the paper you don't want when you've finished).
There are many ways to stretch paper, most of them better than mine! And sometimes I don't stretch it at all, eg with the heavier weights. Many stretch their paper for much longer than I do, and really soak it - just doesn't suit me.
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Any paper will cockle with enough water, the larger the size the bigger the problem and the need to stretch it. Heavy papers are more stable and less prone, and also hold moisture for longer. Which may or may not help your style of painting. There are various methods of stretching and securing paper. Stapling is another method not mentioned.
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I am a landscape / seascape w/c artist and have just posted the following comments to the question of 'Why Stretch' which you may find helpful :
I can't understand why anyone wants to go to the trouble of stretching paper - all I want to do is paint. I use Bockingford Rough and nothing less than 200lbs in weight and I never have a problem. I use very wet washes and sometimes even spray the paper with water before adding paint . I can't recall the last time I had cockling - I guess it was when I was a beginner and used lighter weight paper. One thing I have noticed with Bockingford is that there is a 'wrong side' which produces a sort of hatched effect - not that it worries me too much.
http://www.michaeledwardsartist.co.uk
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I have just bought some Bockingford 200 lb and used it slightly wet on wet and it cockled. My next purchase of Bockingford will be a heavier weight. I much prefer Saunders waterford 300 llb NOT for landscapes. I find the Bockingford 200 lb is best for using dry and you can get some nice hit and miss effects when painting flowers in a loose style. When using masking tape, try taping the top edge of the paper only when using a fair amount of water, but I would advocate stretching and fastening down with brown parcel tape everytime and the person I use for framing prefers his customers to use this method.
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I have used bockingford 200lbs for the last fifty years and had no problems with it .. I have never needed to stretch it . .what was good enough for the best watercolourists in the world is good enough for me
saunders is to dirty looking for me... hold it up to the light see how dark it is compared with bockingford . it dulls watercolours ..
making them look drab and colourless .and arches has a stink with it ..
maybe a pansy painter would like it I dont know ,,
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Heh .... just had a sheet of 300gsm Bockingford cockle on me good and proper: I had stretched it, but not well enough (the gummed tape would have been a better idea).
However, I've got to iron some shirts tomorrow, so will apply a cool iron the the back of the paper and then lay some heavy books on top of it for a day or so! What I did wrong was be impatient - using acrylic rather than watercolour, I scrubbed too much damp paint on in one application. Never mind. You live and learn.
Malcolm - don't worry about giving offence just by being honest: this can be a robust place sometimes, and I like it that way: personal remarks and nit-picking are unwelcome, but a bit of telling it like you think it is does no harm - most of us are gnarled and tough enough to take any amount of that.... :-S
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