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I realise I might be on unstable ground here but a scan of the works in the gallery at any time and many of the forum threads too, more especially those that discuss members’ own work, reveals the following— There is on PoL a strong preference for and bias towards work that is representational in the photographic sense of that word. I do not want, here, to regurgitate the painting from photographs debate that has been aired many times. My thesis, such as it is, is just that whatever the subject matter—landscape, portrait, whatever—the preference and the occupation of members is to portray that frozen moment, as captured by the camera. There is nothing ‘wrong’ with this but I confess I do find its prevalence here frustrating, I think (and the uncertainty suggested there is intentional), my frustration comes from the notion that this limits discussion to discussion of technique and materials; to the ‘how’ rather than the ‘why’. Now you may well say that it’s just a matter of opinion and preference and of course you’d be right so this is, in some way perhaps, a call for like-minded painters because it does feel quite lonely sometimes. Imagine an exhibition of landscapes and portraits from the full span of human achievement. In the landscape room I would spend ten times longer looking at the Tress painting than I would the Kruseman— In the portraits, the Ken Paine would get more time than the Cuyp— Now, I confess I’ve picked the contemporary examples with more thought than I gave to the ‘classical’ examples; they are both artists whose work I admire and have seen in the flesh. But my point is that I find the energy and the delight in the use of the medium far more exciting. I find the lack of pretence that the thing is anything more than marks on a surface made by human hand to be far more imaginative. And in the case of landscapes, I find the contemporary works of this artist and other contemporary artists to be so much closer to how I experience being in the landscape. My eye does not freeze the movement of the trees in the wind, I do not gaze with a fixed, middle-distance stare. I can’t see everything in sharp focus at the same time. There are so many I don’t-s and I can’t-s associated with the realist approach that it evokes in me almost nothing, other than the appreciation and acknowledgement of technique of course. At the same exhibition where I saw the Ken Paine portrait, was a large drawing of a teasel executed with immaculate precision and technique. My point I suppose is that all it seems to be saying is look what I can do. I’ve picked the subject-matter of my examples because landscapes is what I do, what excites me, and portraits was just the first major alternative subject that came to mind probably because there are always a lot of portraits in the gallery, but I feel the same way with respect to any other subject matter. And I’m quite deliberately steering clear of abstract art, as that, clearly is looking to do something else entirely that is not really relevant to my ‘thesis’.
Firstly, I must say I am glad there is a place for both on the POL site, and many people can be stirred by the more expressive paintings and still appreciate the skill in the highly representational. If you find the site too frustrating, then clearly the site is not for you, but that is a rather glib statement as you do raise some interesting issues, and I don't think your intent is to criticise the site or its members. I think part of what you describe as 'bias' is historically inevitable. Original artwork, and even good quality prints are not inexpensive, and for the past 100 years or so, our memories have been defined by the "still' photograph. Perhaps it is not surprising that the influence of the photograph is reflected in the works of the site members. What is more for many of us, we do not have the time, or in some cases the ability, to paint other than from photographs. I would contend, however, that even a still photograph can be very expressive, Cartier-Bresson's work for example - undoubtedly still photographs, but they do express something about the subject. If you are young enough, you will be able to judge the effect of the relatively recent availability of digital video devices on the content of the gallery. I think there is also another aspect. If you cannot accurately represent something you see, can you really accurately represent something you feel? And since it is easier to compare one's own finished work to an original image, one learns the skill through painting fixed objects. There is also the question of whether less representational work is the result of a deliberate and accurate expression of feeling, or just a lack of skill? I would cite my own gallery uploads as an example of the latter. They are not photographically representational, but neither, apart from one or two, are they attempts to convey the emotion a place evokes. It is just the way they turn out. I am grateful that there is a POL site where I can post them, and get honest feedback. I paint because I enjoy it, and I expect the same it true for most site members, we are amateurs. It is inevitable that the final mix will not be to every-ones taste, but you know what they say. If you have never had a bad meal, how do you know when you have a good one? Long may the variety on the POL site continue - even though there are quite a few posting which are not to my taste.
I suppose POL just reflects the world at large. Our tastes are not unusual.
You've shown modern paintings alongside classical ones, and I can understand why you might have done that - the classical artists are no longer with us and won't mind the comparison! But this doesn't really represent your point. Very few painters today are likely to use anything like the same methods as Cuyp - perhaps a few might be drawn to try replicating the work of Kruseman; whose work I didn't actually know before. But it does look like what an old artist friend of mine would call a 'pot-boiler', or 'crowd-pleaser'. Very competent, but - cows; trees; meadow; bit of water ... not much obvious feeling in it. A pleasant picture, designed perhaps to bring a bit of the countryside into a domestic environment, but not very interesting. There were thousands of paintings like this: desaturated colour, naturalistic palette, nothing to frighten the horses (or cows). I think though that the kind of painting which excites you always has been something of a rarity - painters have been either conservative or radical, and perhaps POL tends more to the former than the latter on the whole; but the ones that interest me most are those who hit a point between the two; can produce a landscape or portrait (or whatever) that is recognizably of its subject but - by a line, a colour, even an apparently cartoonish exaggeration, goes beyond the limits of safety - or even of common sense: common sense has its uses in accountancy and politics, but not so much in art. So - of the paintings above, I think the portrait by Paine is fantastic; the Cuyp is a standard portrait of record - very cleverly done, but of somewhat period interest; and I'm not overly keen on either of the landscapes, seen at this resolution anyway - of the two, if I were forced to buy, I'd go for the Tress, because it has more life in it. I think that's the difference between those offered - excess caution, conservatism, formality, obsession with 'accuracy', can kill a picture.
My two pennyworth on this topic is that I don't really admire anything over-posed, be it landscape, portrait or seascape. That might sound a bit odd, but if somebody, something, is decidedly "posing" for the artist or camera, then it has no real appeal and isn't your own work in the true sense.. Like everone else I occasionally paint the expected, but I also want desperately to produce the unexpected. Turner, Flint, Brabazon and Singer Sargent are all masters of this and I love all their works. Whilst appreciating the skill in painting "The death of Seneca" (there's a massive version in our local art gallery), I always look for Monet, Van Gogh and the ones above for inspiration as preference. I also currently do a fair bit of painting brush only which requires confidence I admit, but to be afraid of any form of art is decidedly wrong. I agree with Sylvia's view that the world's your personal oyster in art, which, after all is about the painter not the painting. Van Gogh may or may not make vogue today, but he wouldn't be judged on how many sillions mega-rich closet hoarders pay for his work. Nothing funnier than folk when it comes to art (except for the chin-stroking, non-painting critics who can't paint a garden fence etc) . Thankfully we've always had true art appreciators and historians who keep it all safe for prosperity. What another fifty years will bring is anyone's guess. 😆
An almost impossible subject, given that art is such a personal thing...but interesting none the less. I like a huge range of art styles, from highly realistic to abstract, but it all depends on the individual painting. SOME paintings, in whatever style, I detest. So it's individual paintings I like, not styles. And since I admire such a broad range, arguably I have no taste at all. The art I like most I'd call 'offbeat' or idiosyncratic'. Here's an example of what I mean by that... It's by Anthony Green. His paintings always grab my attention, not least for the odd canvass shapes he uses. I think he's original and very creative...someone else could have the opposite view. As for the POL gallery, I like it best when it's 'varied'. Too much of the same thing isn't always good. So, a tricky subject, all you can do is enjoy what you enjoy. And if something most definitely isn't for you...you can bet somebody else will like it. Lew.