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We've had a blow-up elsewhere on this subject. It got me thinking, what do I know about AI? I recall the furore a few years back. The makers of AI platforms pillaged the internet for art, music and literature to 'train' their platforms. They ignored the copyright of artists dead and living, giving no attribution or remuneration for blatantly using their work. Lawsuits followed...they go on...and on...and on. I doubt I'll live to see the outcome. All they've decided for now it that art works generated by AI platforms will have NO copyright.
What's involved in making AI 'art'? I've looked it up. Inside the platform you type a subject. Let's say...'A girl dressed in retro-style sci-fi costume sitting on an alien planet. In the style of Alphonse Mucha.' (Mucha was an artist painting in Art Nouveau Style in the early 1900s, he's much admired and relevant today). You press 'create' in the app.
It produces half-a-dozen images. You type ' add an alien in the style of Picasso.' It produces examples of the image. You type 'add some more planets in the background' You type 'make it look like an oil painting.' It does it. You're happy. You've made your 'art'...and print it.
Does it make you an artist? No. It makes you a typist. Is the image 'art'. No. It's a robotic regurgitation of other people's creativity.
That's my opinion. Admirers of 'ai art' will think differently. We all get an opinion. I think the term 'ai art' is an oxymoron.
Is it easy to spot ai generated art? Mostly, but not always. I decided to test it with one of my own paintings, using an AI image detector app. I used three different free apps, and got interesting results.....
This is the painting I tested...
I painted it with watercolour, watercolour pencils, ordinary coloured pencils, touches of gouache and acrylic, and pens. I used a free-use reference photo for Alice, but changed the expression. The rest is from imagination.
The first AI Image detector result was...AI usage likelihood 7%...confidence is HIGH that this is REAL.
The second AI Image detector result was... AI usage 69%...Human 31%. (So I'm only 31% human).
The third AI Image detector result was...AI usage probability NIL. This detector also gave a breakdown of how it arrived at this decision. I thought it interesting, it mentions irregularities suggesting human activity etc. I've pasted it below...skip it if you want to.
Artistic Style and Texture
The image showcases a detailed, hand-painted artistic style with watercolor or marker-like textures. The brush strokes and color blending throughout the characters and background suggest a traditional medium rather than digital rendering. The textures on clothing, such as the fabric folds and accessories like the pocket watch, display irregularities and subtle imperfections consistent with human painting techniques.
️ Character Design and Detailing
Each character, including Alice, the Mad Hatter, and the White Rabbit, is rendered with intricate, unique details that reflect artistic choices rather than algorithmic generation. Facial features, hair strands, and costume patterns show nuanced variations and minor asymmetries that typically come from hand-drawn art. The background elements, like the smiling Cheshire Cat, have a dynamic, fluid appearance that suggests manual brushwork.
Color Palette and Shading
The colors are vivid but balanced, with shading that enhances depth and form naturally. The watercolor-style washes and gradient transitions in the sky and on the clothing have a softness indicative of manual technique. Highlights and shadows are carefully placed but maintain a slight organic irregularity, contrary to the often overly uniform lighting found in AI-generated images.
Composition and Thematic Elements
The composition is carefully structured, integrating various known characters from Alice in Wonderland in a whimsical scene. The visual storytelling and imaginative details reflect creative interpretation, which aligns with human artistry. The hand-drawn teapot with card symbols and the expressive postures further emphasize manual design.
Overall, the image is a vibrant, skillfully painted piece with traditional artistic features, rich detail, and organic nuances, strongly indicative of human creation.
I don't like AI art, it's robotic. It's a machine (not) producing art.
Some people love AI stuff. It's here, it's not going away. I think POL need to say where they stand on it. Not easy for them I admit, my three detector tests show it's not straightforward to check. With one detector stating that my entirely hand-painted picture was 61% likely to be AI.
That's all for now.
I painted it with watercolour, watercolour pencils, ordinary coloured pencils, touches of gouache and acrylic, and pens. I used a free-use reference photo for Alice, but changed the expression. The rest is from imagination.
The first AI Image detector result was...AI usage likelihood 7%...confidence is HIGH that this is REAL.
The second AI Image detector result was... AI usage 69%...Human 31%. (So I'm only 31% human).
The third AI Image detector result was...AI usage probability NIL. This detector also gave a breakdown of how it arrived at this decision. I thought it interesting, it mentions irregularities suggesting human activity etc. I've pasted it below...skip it if you want to.
Artistic Style and Texture
The image showcases a detailed, hand-painted artistic style with watercolor or marker-like textures. The brush strokes and color blending throughout the characters and background suggest a traditional medium rather than digital rendering. The textures on clothing, such as the fabric folds and accessories like the pocket watch, display irregularities and subtle imperfections consistent with human painting techniques.
️ Character Design and Detailing
Each character, including Alice, the Mad Hatter, and the White Rabbit, is rendered with intricate, unique details that reflect artistic choices rather than algorithmic generation. Facial features, hair strands, and costume patterns show nuanced variations and minor asymmetries that typically come from hand-drawn art. The background elements, like the smiling Cheshire Cat, have a dynamic, fluid appearance that suggests manual brushwork.
Color Palette and Shading
The colors are vivid but balanced, with shading that enhances depth and form naturally. The watercolor-style washes and gradient transitions in the sky and on the clothing have a softness indicative of manual technique. Highlights and shadows are carefully placed but maintain a slight organic irregularity, contrary to the often overly uniform lighting found in AI-generated images.
Composition and Thematic Elements
The composition is carefully structured, integrating various known characters from Alice in Wonderland in a whimsical scene. The visual storytelling and imaginative details reflect creative interpretation, which aligns with human artistry. The hand-drawn teapot with card symbols and the expressive postures further emphasize manual design.
Overall, the image is a vibrant, skillfully painted piece with traditional artistic features, rich detail, and organic nuances, strongly indicative of human creation.
I don't like AI art, it's robotic. It's a machine (not) producing art.
Some people love AI stuff. It's here, it's not going away. I think POL need to say where they stand on it. Not easy for them I admit, my three detector tests show it's not straightforward to check. With one detector stating that my entirely hand-painted picture was 61% likely to be AI.
That's all for now.
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Well done Lew, good to know you are at least part human! Interesting the difference between
various detection sites. I frequently find that if I Google something or someone, I am usually offered a choice of answers of which one at least will be completely wrong, eg similar surname, wrong person. AI is in my opinion nowhere near ‘complete’ or reliable in terms of searching, but no doubt will improve and be more accurate in the future, and then we had better look out! As you say it’s not going away so we have to live with it. I agree that POL need to decide and clarify, if they are to accept it on this site, then it should be named as such.
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Thank you Lew for this very interesting information, like most folk I know very little about AI , and certainly don’t like AI generated work , it’s certainly not art in my opinion. Just keep splashing the paint around like always and enjoy doing it despite the odd mistakes or totally failure, it what it’s about changing a blank surface into a picture.
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Interesting reading, Lewis, thanks for posting. it seems, though, that AI is ‘infiltrating’ (for want of a better word) artwork in ways that are not readily apparent. A local artist produces very quirky, humorous paintings, and I’ve always admired his creativity as much as his perfectly executed artwork (which sells very well at local exhibitions). However, I’ve recently learned that he apparently uses AI to create an image and then copies it!
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Yes Jenny. I’m always interested in artists working methods. Recently, on YouTube, I saw an artist who has embraced ai as an ideas tool. She typed in a few sentences as I described above (that’s where I got it from), and got ideas from the result. She then went on to paint in conventional mixed media taken from several of the ai results. The final painting looked different from the ai examples produced. She said it provided a spur to get her going when she was struggling for ideas. In this case the end result was a bona fide hand painted piece of art by a skilled artist.
I can see that’s a legitimate use of ai, but not something I’d choose to do.
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It is interesting that you took it up Lewis. AI can generate thousands of images in seconds, and many people now paint directly from those outputs. But copying an AI image without thought, without intention, and without any personal transformation is not art — it is decoration. This kind of work has no struggle, searching, failures, and the discoveries that makes an art an art. When the hand simply imitates what a machine has produced, the result becomes hollow: Art demands vision, not replication not a copy of something a machine has produced. I too wonder what the future shall be.
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I agree with you Magdalena. I merely mentioned the artist on YouTube because she was using ai. In fairness to her, she didn’t copy the ai image, it was a starting point.
I’m no advocate for ai. Just trying to find out a little more about it. For the most part I prefer to work from imagination, so ai plays no part in anything I do.
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It's simple folks; if it's on paper or canvas and you can pick it up and hold it, see the brush marks and the hair stuck in the paint, it's art. If it only exists on a computer screen it probably isn't (although I do realise that digital art is created by a person). Art should be physical, the result of sweat and tears (hopefully not blood!). AI doesn't put it's brush in the coffee mug by mistake or come back from Hobbycraft as I did last week without the one colour I'd gone for. AI doesn't chat at art group or exhibit, it doesn't feel pride looking at a new picture or regret when the new master work isn't quite as good as you'd hoped. It doesn't feel or do anything. It's not a thing.
I love your Alice Lew but she does look like she's just been stung on the derriere by a wasp!
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Sorry to go on about this but it's really got me thinking. Look at these two pictures of Kate Bush. I painted them both copying the same photo, the second the day after the first because I wanted to exhibit one and keep one.
If AI had produced them they would be identical. They aren't, because I did them and making the second one identical to the first would be impossible. That is why it's art.


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AI may be art - on the whole, I don't think it is - but it needs to proclaim itself. The trouble with some stuff on the Gallery is that it pretends to be generated by hand and eye. And the trouble with the owners of the site? They can't tell the difference, and don't seem to understand why that might matter.
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