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A while ago I saw on Facebook a painting with a painted frame over which a wave was pouring. They image stayed with me and this afternoon I dug some old pictures out of the garage to see how it would work out. I was going to do one but ended up with five.
The frames probably need some graining which I might try tomorrow, it's too dark now.
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An interesting idea. I've come across it a few times when looking at art on the net.
This artist uses the idea a lot....
...I watched a video of him at work. He paints with the canvas already in it's frame. Obvious I suppose, how else can it be done?
(This pic dates from a time when I saved paintings that interested me, and made them into a slideshow that I could watch on my big screen TV. Otherwise I forget the artist's name.)
In the right hand painting, notice the petal that's 'fallen' from the rose onto the frame below...another convincing trompe L'oeil effect.
...I watched a video of him at work. He paints with the canvas already in it's frame. Obvious I suppose, how else can it be done?
(This pic dates from a time when I saved paintings that interested me, and made them into a slideshow that I could watch on my big screen TV. Otherwise I forget the artist's name.)
In the right hand painting, notice the petal that's 'fallen' from the rose onto the frame below...another convincing trompe L'oeil effect.Edited
by Lewis Cooper
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Well, irrespective of any examples here, I think there's an element of gimmick about incorporating the frame in the picture, and I like the idea as much as painting the sides of deep canvases, which is to say - not one little bit. But then, I'm conservative about such things - got to be honest, though: on the whole (again, nothing against anything on this page) I think it does tend to scream "amateur" ... and here we hit the limitations of language, because there's nothing wrong with being an amateur when taken in its normal context, but I do think you don't want to make your work look amateurish, which is the look of those who don't really know what they're doing: a bit like wearing bright orange crocs with a blue suit.
Still, it can work - even though I think it breaks the concept of illusion: i.e. we all know that a painting is an illusion, we're tricking the eye to read forms as round and three dimensional, when in fact they're flat; cut holes in your frame to let the water flow out, for example, and what you're doing is drawing attention to the illusionary aspect of the painting which normally you'd be doing your best to conceal: it confuses two different aspects of the reality of objects and things. The more serious you are about your painting, the more - I suggest - you want to maintain the integrity of the illusion.
But that's all generalization - of course I've seen it done where it does work, and of course no one really believes that your portrait is an actual, living person, that your tree is going to shed actual leaves, that you could pop through the door of the house you've painted and live in it (I do wish I could...): so I am dancing on the head of a pin a bit here; but I still won't incorporate frames in paintings or paint the sides of box canvases.
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It is a gimmick, and amateurish but nothing wrong with trying it out I suppose… it just doesn’t work though does it?
I suppose you could go a stage further and continue the stream of water onto the wall that it’s hanging on…ugh… I was joking!
I won’t be taking up the idea, but some interesting examples on show Peter, enough I suspect, to deter any of us from adopting the idea.
I’m equally unimpressed with drawings and watercolours that encroach onto the mount. I’m sure we’ve all seen examples but I don’t like it.
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by Alan Bickley
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I like trompe l’oeil when it’s done well - there are many excellent egs of this, it’s certainly not a new idea. You’re right, too, Linda, the frames play an important part. Water flowing out of a frame is not a true trompe l’oeil of course because it doesn’t fool anyone.
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by Marjorie Firth
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I like Trompe l'Oeil, too. Something beyond my capability.
Did have a go, once. there was an article in the Leisure Painter, many years ago. The subject was pansies on paper pined to the wall.
Enjoyed painting them, and an interesting process, but they sure won't fool anyone :)
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by Carol Jones
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