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Just to test this out, I've just tried listening to a Charles Evans video on acrylics - couldn't hear much at all, so turned on subtitles on YouTube: which obviously couldn't hear him either, because Raw Sienna was variously transcribed as "Awesome", and "guest grasses"; while Naples Yellow came over as "maple together", or "maple tea"; and at another point he said, if you believe YouTube, that he was about to "bash down on myself".
So - not a lot of help to be found there. Oh, and he uses "cotton brushes" (Cotman, of course...)
Speak up, Charles, do.....
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Say three Hail Marys and a Novena, and we'll say no more about it. And leave something in the Offertory Box as you leave.
Would your objection(s) to Turner have something to do with the general absence of darks, by the way? Or at least of much by way of tonal contrasts? This wouldn't be true of all of his paintings, but it might be said - I don't know if it has been, I'm not very up to speed on analysis of his work - that he disputed, and possibly disproved, the theory that you can't show light without dark. I wade out of my depth here, though: truth is that the only actual Turners I've seen were early oil paintings, which didn't do a lot for me, to be frank; while I realize I don't really know a lot about his watercolour work, rather oddly. I looked this evening at a cross section of his paintings on the internet, and was surprised by how few of them I'd seen before - in fact, hardly any of them. There is a very attractive self-portrait in oil; I know The Fighting Temeraire, and Wind, Sea, Steam and Snow or whatever the correct title is; but of the watercolours, I recognized The Blue Rigi and that was about it.
I must educate myself! Incidentally, one of the Facebook pages has been showing some of van Gogh's lesser known oils - I certainly hadn't known of them, and was very surprised, and generally very impressed, to see some of them of whose existence I'd been ignorant. Unlike Turner, who became really seriously wealthy by the standards of the time from his painting, van Gogh would have starved without his brother Theo - he sold almost nothing. But - I know some say they "don't like" van Gogh, but I bet they're basing their opinion on a very small number of paintings - I'm really surprised that he wasn't able to sell his work; some of which were watercolours, so I can say I haven't wandered TOO far off point and category.
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I must admit my comments are related more towards his watercolours and, yes, imho to make a light sing you need a good dark which is missing from most of his work. As I alluded to above I look at his watercolours and can only see a muddied swirl and ask myself: 'so where is he painting light' . His influence on the direction of art is both substantial and undeniable but he was very much of his time and it is pertinent to ask why we see no one painting in his style today.
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Thank you Adel for the welcome :) Don't like Turner!!!??? * looks around fearfully* I totally understand people's opinions that some of his watercolour material can be vague to the point ..modern art? Definitely Impressionisms father. I would say very few people will like all stages of Turner's work. There is a world of difference between say "Fishermen at sea 1796" and say Norham castle sunrise from 1845, also that a lot of people these days have been Alienated a bit by coming into contact with brief wash sketches from his pocket books, which are now being sold and on display ( I have a couple myself ) But a five minute sketch with one wash, is a different beast entirely to the magnificent "A First Rate Taking in Stores, 1818" and "Sunrise 1825-1830" I myself am drawn to the more impressionistic period of his art. But I fully can see why people would not enjoy his "deconstructed?" period of his last 10 years or so.
I have no idea why nobody paints like him now Michael, maybe it,s a tall order for most mortals ;) I know I find it a tough medium to be fluid with as I would want to. Nevertheless, This thread has thrown up some great artists I had never heard of and I have been much enriched by learning of them. I shall call myself the finished article when I can paint something like The harbour of Brest. But then again maybe I have been delving to deep into turner of late. Time to look to the present :)
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I doubt if we will ever agree Titus. Norham Castle is to my mind typical of his rather bland swirly muddy watercolours and again, to my mind, Taking in Stores is also lacking tonal quality especially on the hull of the dominant subject. I can understand Fishermen at Sea being lauded but this makes exceptional use of darks unlike most of his other work. I don't know Sunrise 1825 so I put Sunrise Turner into Google Images all I got was more Norham castle look-alikes. Yes I think we'll just have to disagree. But I do like ham and eggs !!