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just purchased this painting as I wanted the frame for one of my photography exhibitions, but the painting looks unusually good and too good to remove from the frame. Trying to find out some info about the picture and who may have painted it? I emailed the framing company to see if they could put a date to the item number ... aprreciate any info before I remove this amazing photo from its frame and possibly destroy a hidden master piece!
cant see a signature anywhere
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Don't know, but that's a modern canvas, and yet the painting looks as if it has cracks either in the varnish or in the paint itself. If you like it, keep it and get it re-framed - it's not a masterpiece I'm afraid - it's a genre piece, intended to convey an atmosphere of the past, parts of which look as though they were done with a painting knife. The frame will be worth more than the painting. If you're going to keep it and re-frame it, I'd get someone to have a look at the crack and see if it can be stabilized, assuming there's just the one, and also put a backing on the new frame to protect the reverse of the canvas. Not valuable, but someone made the effort to paint it, so it deserves that much respect.
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thanks I got it appraised just incase:
<h5 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Valuation reference</h5>V630384-1<h5 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Guarantee line</h5>Attributed to Caroline Burnett [late 20th century school]<h5 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Description</h5>Parisian Street scene
Oil on canvas<h5 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; color: rgb(35, 31, 32); font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial;">Date</h5>Late 20th century<h4 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; font-family: Lato; font-weight: 700;">Height</h4>16inches<h4 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 12px; line-height: 18px; font-family: Lato; font-weight: 700;">Width</h4>20inches<h5 style="border: 0px; margin: 0px; outline: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; line-height: 18px; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant-ligatures: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: left; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration-style: initial; text-decoration-color: initial; color: black !important;">Extra Notes</h5>This is very like the work of the prolific Caroline Burnett but I have to say she usually signed. They regularly appear on the market and in traditional sales sell for modest amounts. There is a strong online following for the paintings on sites like eBay where expectations are higher. In a traditional sale an auctioneer will estimate this unsigned work £30-50 with a lower reserve but have a look on eBay and see what the potential is for this one.
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Well, you've got a name for it, anyway. The comment about Ebay is interesting - generally speaking, paintings go for much, much less than they ought to be worth on there. It'd be ironic if this one got more than it was worth - I'm not confident that it would, though. I like the 'lower reserve' from the auctioneer, too - he didn't say how much lower, I suppose? To be honest, I think it'd be fortunate to get a bid of £20 - without the frame, I doubt that it'd manage even that.
I know we're all being cruelly disparaging, and normally we might not be quite so damning: but you did wonder if it might be an unrecognized masterpiece, and, well..... no; no it isn't.
Even so, I hate destroying other people's paintings, even rather bad ones; and you don't really need to, because you couldn't use the canvas again with this rather thick, cracked paint on it; so why not try selling it on Ebay, if the valuer thought it might command a price there?
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Just taken a fairly brief look on the internet - there's a lot of puzzlement to be found there, as per usual....
Burnett was an American painter, it seems, and painted many, many paintings of Parisian street scenes. Some I've seen are ... OK: I don't like her work at all, but of the pictures I've seen so far, some are reasonably accomplished, others have the perspective wandering all over the place.... and it seems, as the valuer said, that she nearly always signed her work. And here the plot thickens, because it also appears there were a considerable number of forgeries. Syd drew attention to those 'strange brown marks across the road' - and I suspect they're significant, because unless you were dashing something off as a quick study - as she may have been - you surely wouldn't have left marks like that which are just strokes of a painting-knife: they don't describe anything, or mean anything.
I'd incline to the view, therefore, that this is either a copy - not a fake, it would need to be signed for that - or an unfinished stab at yet another of her street views, with a rather slender Arc de Triomphe. So if you were offering it for sale, and there DOES seem to be a market, just not a very buoyant one, I think you'd need to put a question mark against the attribution - say 'in the style of', or 'provisionally attributed to', for example.
Caroline Bennett has a Facebook fan-page dedicated to her - the person running it believes that these paintings will be worth a lot of money in years to come: well - maybe. Perhaps you should hang on to it, on the offchance.
Interesting, though - it always is of interest to find a painter you'd not heard of before, and to speculate on whether a painting is genuine or a copy by someone else.
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thanks for everyones comments
I will feel less guilty now about removing it from the frame and putting my own work in there for exhibitions (Im a wedding photographer)
Will most defnitely reframe it though and keep it for myself as I actually do quite like it so the painting itself wont go to waste
I do have a few more paintings which I will post up, I actually dont like either of them so they will probably be worth lots :)