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I started a drawing of a ballerina, the idea was to do two images one in black and white from one angle and a second from a different angle in colour.
I thought I would try a new surface also so I bought several oversized pieces of Arches paper designed to take oil paint.
Anyway I set this up and thought I would start sketching the black and white image first, starting lightly in a hard pencil... half way through this process I come to a realisation that this paper is perhaps a bit waxy or something and that maybe it won't be suitable for pencil or charcoal. I had wanted both images on matching sheets so now I am thinking I should paint this grisaille (greyscale, monochrome)
Now I realise from my drawing that the key to maKing something appear 3d is to have smooth and consistant darks, if the darks are not equal values it ruins the illusion of shadow. So now I think rather than mix tonnes of paint (paper is approx A1) and given that my life is getting in the way so I get half an hour here and there it would be more convenient to buy a set of grey paints of different and consistant shades which would mean I could use them straight out of the tubes.
I am sure I have seen such a thing for sale with 9 tubes ranging from black to white and steady jumps between, but now I want to buy a set I can't find any.
Now I am a bit unsure what medium I should be using...
Questions are as follows...
Has anyone experience with oil paper with regards to other mediums and has it any impregnation?
Secondly does anyone know who produces a set of grisaille paints?
Anyone else have a crisis of undecidedness after starting a project?
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by Daveyboyz
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Well after all that feedback I thought I would just go straight in with oil and mix as I go...
I was going to leave the background plain paper with just a hint of somw ground but given I have already smudged paint on it I may have to pug in some sort of background.
The advantage of painting oil on paper is that it seems to absorb and dry fairly quickly...
The disadvantage of using oil is I have been breathing turps and even with wide open windows and "odourless" the gaff still sinks...
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I didn't see the question - might have done if you'd put it in the Oil section, but things can get lost wherever they go......
I will attempt to address your original questions first!
Number one - oil painting paper; yes, I use it for sketches, try-outs, colour-mix experiments. The only reason to avoid it is the question of longevity; but if it were mounted on a rigid surface, it should long outlive your grandchildren. You can get various surfaces and makes - use it just with oils, or alkyds.
Number two - interesting question, and the short answer is No - not specifically. Thing about grisaille is that it's usually employed to be painted over in glazes; not all blacks - especially Ivory - are good for that, because they're ground in too much oil. I'll look out for grisaille paints, but in the meantime suggest you mix up Burnt Umber with a quantity of Ultramarine (other blues will turn the result to a deep green), or a mix of Viridian with Burnt Sienna, to make an optical black, and mix that with your white until you get the consistency and shade you want. Failing that, Mars Black or Payne's Grey will give you a good range of darks to produce a grisaille effect.
Number three - Yes. Frequently ... even when I've done it before.
The paper problem has yielded its own answer by your trying it, I see (second post). The turps - ah. Um. Normally, I would say don't use any Turps or other thinners at all if the stink is too much. It wouldn't be easy to get the gradation you've got in your picture, though, if you used no medium at all. There is no such thing as a healthy thinner - white spirit honks even more than turps; turps can appeal to some people - I rather like it - but not to many; and it's perhaps the least healthy option available. You could switch to Low Odour Thinners, made by the usual manufacturers, otherwise known as Sansodor - these won't stink the gaff out, but they're still hazardous and require proper ventilation.
Or, you could use Liquin (I hate the smell, but it tends not to linger), or Zest-it, which has a citrus smell - I don't know how good it is for long-term paint stability ... there is much controversy. Or Winsor and Newton's or Daler-Rowney's Oil Painting Medium (much the same stuff, it'll have different branding names), or straight Linseed Oil - which has much to recommend it, but is, inevitably, well - oily. There are also gels - some of which allow more fluidity than others - I'm unable to offer any useful advice on these, because I haven't used them for a very long time.
I hope this is of some use, even if it did take a while to reply.
