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Michael Robinson

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Don't you like receiving an art book ? I do after all these years of painting. On Christmas day I received :WATERCOLOUR MASTERS - THEN & NOW The Royal watercolour society - foreword by HRH the Prince of Wales. I am truly enjoying this book. Some artists members of the Royal watercolour society have each choosen an artist member from the past, talk about what inspired them in their work and display a watercolour from their own work. There are different styles and artists of great talents of course !

Avril Soldani

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That's a difficult question Larry! I have both plus burnt sienna - all of which I use for depicting rust. No landscapes for me! However if really pushed I'd keep brown madder as I find it more saturated in colour, brighter .

Syd Edward

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I have used both for a number of years but I have put aside light red I favour of brown madder. this latter seems to be a more delicate lively brown. it tends to retreat from other colours (in a nice way)or so I have found. anybody else experienced this? Errata. I.....in favour. ...Syd.
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Michael Edwards

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Now you'll be totally confused. I much prefer light red which I use in all sorts of ways especially with french ultramarine - see the sky for example in my last posting along with the side of the house plus the dark shadows in the trees etc etc. Word of warning, as I have previously said in the forum, I stick to W&N light red - tried the SAA and it produced quite different results. Quick edit - I also used them together for the roofs and in the mountains - if you want to take a look here's the link: http://www.painters-online.co.uk/Gallery/Michael-Edwards-Based-on-Mias-lovely-sketch/_ga92480_pg1

Michael Robinson

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It's an interesting one alright.In ways I can see the differences in that I think Light Red has more whack to it whilst Madder Brown does have the same clout and gets lost in the mix as it were.I think the madder is nicer colour in a way but they are only colours I'd use as mixers and never really on their own although the madder might be used straight for a boat or something.What puzzles me is why the likes of say John Tookey and Dr Robin McDonald have both on their palettes.For space on my palette I'd like to pick one and get rid of one as they seem to both do a good enough greying job with Madder Brown and Ultra making nice shadows.

Michael Robinson

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Madder Brown does not have the same clout...

Doug Byfield

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Larry - 2014-03-25 8:44 PMIf you had to choose one of Light Red or Brown Madder to stay on your palette and one to go,which one would get the chop? And why do a lot of Engilsh landscape painters keep both? Thanks
Here I am, late to the party (as usual). Could we perhaps define our colours a bit? Using the WN Artist WC chart here: http://www.winsornewton.com/products.aspx?PageID=160&path=products%2fwater-colours%2fartists-water-colour%2fcolour-chart%2f is  Brown Madder number 056? and would light red be Scarlet Lake number 603? Just want to be sure exactly which colours are being discussed-thanks. Also, the amount of 'whack' or 'clout' a colour has depends on what other colours that it is used with, IMHO. Doug
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Doug - the two colours in the Artists water colour range are: brown madder 056 and light red 362

tony challis

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Brown Madder every time for me. I've always considered light red too overpowering, only really useful for mixing greys and so on. I discovered Madder a couple of years ago, and have used it ever since. I consider it a much warmer, and natural looking colour.
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Michael Edwards

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For me I never use any colours 'raw' so brown madder isn't on my palette - not so good as a mixer. Also bit puzzled by all the talk of greys. I never use a neutral grey - I only use shades of colours which may veer towards grey but are not actually grey.

Syd Edward

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I use brown madder, bunt sienna and burnt umber to make different greys mixed with ultramarine blue. they all make nice mixes depending on how dark I want my greys.Wouldnt be without any of my browns,not used raw of coarse except in unusual circumstances.Burnt Sienna is my favourite brown with Ultramarine giving a huge range of good greys. Syd :-)
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Robert Jones, Napa

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Óskar Thorarensson (spelling subject to check!) uses Brown Madder, I believe.  I use it in oils now and then - it does lift a painting ... there's a completely lightfast version of it made by Rembrandt, in oil and watercolour; otherwise it's Brown Madder Alizarin, which is likely to be as subject to fading as Alizarin Crimson.<div> </div>
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