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Hi all, I'm by no means a natural artist. I've noticed the feedback for people's art on here varies from total adulation to zero; thus deducing the quality of output has to be invariably good. So therefore, what makes a good painting? Is a base level of talent required or can anyone achieve results with endless practice? With regards to surrealism and expressionism it's what I enjoy, I endeavour to convey my feelings through my painting, to be original and deep. So with regards to this painting of mine is the issue the actual quality of the painting or the incongruity of the subject matter? Does the boat look too 'cartoony'?  Kind regards, Gavin.
Hi Gavin to answer you question regard to base talent most of the artist on here have practiced for long periods to reach their current level of ability . I think like all things some people manage to pick it up quicker than others , some happily produce paintings that makes them content. I won’t critique you painting as a abstract simply because it’s monotonous an area in very good at myself . What I will sat is that there are some excellent elements in you painting. The most obvious is the sea and the waves it look really good, the hand is well drawn as is the shape of the boat hull . I like the above water part of the painting simply because it more conventional and fits into a category for me . It it had more detailing on the ship then it definitely would tick a box for me , but as I said I don’t understand abstract that well hence my picking bits out I can relate too. Just keep painting enjoying what you do and posting them in the gallery , I like other look at most things in the gallery but don’t always feel the need to comment . Don’t take no comments as a failing because it not though I can understand it feeling that way. 
My criteria on looking through the gallery is do I like it, obviously, has it caught my eye, would I hang it on my wall...and to some extent the names of people I know. I don't really understand surrealism my mind doesn't tick that way.  I do like your use of colour and the shape of your ship.   Not sure what it means and wouldn't hang it on my wall.  But I like it......is that gentle enough for you Gavin...? Lol.
Compositionally I'm not keen on the canvas being split in the center by the water line. I would create some thumbnails on paper or mockups in photoshop and move elements about to see what works compositionally for you without losing your direction. If you feel you want to improve a particular technique I'd follow some video tution, doesn't really matter if the subject is not your cup of tea, just use it for the bits you feel you need. Please remember you don't need to listen to anyone. In fact if you listen to everyone you will end up with bland,  art by committee. The gallery moves at speed. I have an awful job keeping up with it. I am following you and I still miss stuff. It doesn't hurt to engage your audience, put a bit of info about yourself in your profile and an avatar. I think you're doing great, keep going!  
Thanks to all of you for the excellent feedback, it's really appreciated, genuinely. The  actual meaning of the painting is this:- The hand is trying to grasp the sign which reads nostalgia, pointing to the surface. This is impossible because the painting is depicting an undercurrent, meaning the hand can't reach the surface. She is trying to restore feelings from the past and live in hope of the halcyon days returning, becoming reality again and being reborn. The traffic lights show the Red light is prominent, meaning stop, not to go there, because of the danger and futility of reconciling old feelings..... Regards, Gavin.
Also, I'm an experienced figure painter (model soldiers of various scales) and I'm interested in discovering if there Is a tangible link regarding actual art and painting figures, i.e. are the techniques interchangeable etc. G
An interesting subject Gavin, I've been fascinated by surrealism for as long as I can remember.  I've looked at it and read about it, and am still no wiser on what it actually IS.  It seems to be many things to many people.  The word itself means 'beyond realism', it's odd, irrational, unbelievable, dreamlike etc, etc etc.  I've read it also has to make no sense.   So for me, for my own personal concept of surrealism, it's a painting that is realistically painted, but contains odd, impossible, dreamlike ideas.  That's just my definition, and means nothing to anyone but myself. If I critique your painting, I have to apply my idea of surrealism...which may not be yours.  It does have the oddness I expect, you wonder what it's about, the strip of sea in the middle IS painted with a degree of realism, the remainder of the painting, whilst painted with some realism is not realistic enough for me.  I agree with Colette's remarks about the composition. What I think doesn't matter, it's what you think that counts.  So keep at it...surrealism is always thought provoking. This set me thinking about what I consider to be surrealistic art so here's a few (getting away from the big names).. By Duy Huynh... By Eli Tiunine.. By Kinga Britschgi... By Rafal Olbinski... And lastly, a painting by George Underwood who seems listed as a surrealist, but this doesn't seem very surreal to me.  I admire it very much.  I show it because I'm never sure what surrealism is.... You may not like any of these...but they are surrealists.  All we can do is keep trying. With regard to the link between painting models and art...I think there is a link.  I've seen some beautifully painted models, and provided the model painter can draw (and you can), the skills are transferable. You may not agree with any of this, but chatting about art is part of the enjoyment.
Hi Gavin to answer you question regard to base talent most of the artist on here have practiced for long periods to reach their current level of ability . I think like all things some people manage to pick it up quicker than others , some happily produce paintings that makes them content. I won’t critique you painting as a abstract simply because it’s monotonous an area in very good at myself . What I will sat is that there are some excellent elements in you painting. The most obvious is the sea and the waves it look really good, the hand is well drawn as is the shape of the boat hull . I like the above water part of the painting simply because it more conventional and fits into a category for me . It it had more detailing on the ship then it definitely would tick a box for me , but as I said I don’t understand abstract that well hence my picking bits out I can relate too. Just keep painting enjoying what you do and posting them in the gallery , I like other look at most things in the gallery but don’t always feel the need to comment . Don’t take no comments as a failing because it not though I can understand it feeling that way. 
Paul  (Dixie) Dean on 18/02/2023 21:13:07
Thanks for your reply Paul. Yeah there are several paintings uploaded every day, it's impossible to notice everything. Virtually everything I've seen is truly excellent, nothing amateurish, you're all very talented. G
My criteria on looking through the gallery is do I like it, obviously, has it caught my eye, would I hang it on my wall...and to some extent the names of people I know. I don't really understand surrealism my mind doesn't tick that way.  I do like your use of colour and the shape of your ship.   Not sure what it means and wouldn't hang it on my wall.  But I like it......is that gentle enough for you Gavin...? Lol.
Sylvia Evans on 18/02/2023 22:04:19
Thank you for the kind response Sylvia, I understand what you mean. We all have a favourite type of art style. Regards. G
Compositionally I'm not keen on the canvas being split in the center by the water line. I would create some thumbnails on paper or mockups in photoshop and move elements about to see what works compositionally for you without losing your direction. If you feel you want to improve a particular technique I'd follow some video tution, doesn't really matter if the subject is not your cup of tea, just use it for the bits you feel you need. Please remember you don't need to listen to anyone. In fact if you listen to everyone you will end up with bland,  art by committee. The gallery moves at speed. I have an awful job keeping up with it. I am following you and I still miss stuff. It doesn't hurt to engage your audience, put a bit of info about yourself in your profile and an avatar. I think you're doing great, keep going!  
Collette Hughes on 18/02/2023 22:07:54
Thanks for the advice and response Collette, it's very much appreciated. There are loads of tutorials on you tube for art techniques etc, I shall have a look. G
An interesting subject Gavin, I've been fascinated by surrealism for as long as I can remember.  I've looked at it and read about it, and am still no wiser on what it actually IS.  It seems to be many things to many people.  The word itself means 'beyond realism', it's odd, irrational, unbelievable, dreamlike etc, etc etc.  I've read it also has to make no sense.   So for me, for my own personal concept of surrealism, it's a painting that is realistically painted, but contains odd, impossible, dreamlike ideas.  That's just my definition, and means nothing to anyone but myself. If I critique your painting, I have to apply my idea of surrealism...which may not be yours.  It does have the oddness I expect, you wonder what it's about, the strip of sea in the middle IS painted with a degree of realism, the remainder of the painting, whilst painted with some realism is not realistic enough for me.  I agree with Colette's remarks about the composition. What I think doesn't matter, it's what you think that counts.  So keep at it...surrealism is always thought provoking. This set me thinking about what I consider to be surrealistic art so here's a few (getting away from the big names).. By Duy Huynh... By Eli Tiunine.. By Kinga Britschgi... By Rafal Olbinski... And lastly, a painting by George Underwood who seems listed as a surrealist, but this doesn't seem very surreal to me.  I admire it very much.  I show it because I'm never sure what surrealism is.... You may not like any of these...but they are surrealists.  All we can do is keep trying. With regard to the link between painting models and art...I think there is a link.  I've seen some beautifully painted models, and provided the model painter can draw (and you can), the skills are transferable. You may not agree with any of this, but chatting about art is part of the enjoyment.
Lewis Cooper on 19/02/2023 06:43:36
Thanks for the response Lewis, I agree with everything you've said. Surrealism has to make no sense and the paintings you have posted above are insanely good, the finish/definition is amazing (surely a couple of these are airbrushed?). I particularly like the one with the nude lady watching the guy (looks like Tommy Cooper?!) perform some type of trick. Yeah I do love figure modelling but it's long winded, a single figure takes me about 2 months to complete whereas with painting on canvas you just pick up a brush and a week later the painting is finished. I'm a busy working man but I love half an hour of painting each evening. Your style of art takes considerable skill, to draw people/characters like that is very difficult in my opinion but you've nailed it. Keep up the good work. Regards, G
Gavin just a thought why not test out you skills , instead of painting a model drawn one and the paint it . You have the drawing skills and that really is the best basic skill when painting, lots of people say the can’t paint properly for a start what is properly, the reason for many is they try to paint but miss out that vital step , basic drawing . You don’t have to paint the figure as well as you would a model it could be much looser , once you have convinced yourself that you can use those skill your well on your way mate. Paint what you feel is right for you , unless your wanting to make a living from it then it like most artist you paint what sells. Lew is right about what is surrealism, ten people at least eight different views . 
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