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Can anyone recommend a surface for painting with acrylics that might be the equivalent of watercolour NOT or rough? Coming from watercolours I’d like to experiment with acrylics in a fashion similar to begin with to watercolour, rather than jump straight to impasto. Maybe an acrylic pad what they call a fine canvas type? Looking back Robert Jones I see that you recommend Black Hog. Coming from painting in 1/4 sheet and maybe smaller to begin with in acrylics, could you recommend a few sizes? Thank you all in advance
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For acrylics I use Hahnumuhle Britannia Watercolour paper which I get from Jackson's art:
https://www.jacksonsart.com/hahnemuhle-britannia-block-300gsm-140lb-30x40cm-12-sheets-not

It's got a not surface - fairly smooth which I find better than the rough version. I think 30x40cm is a good size, and the paper is not that expensive.

You can buy paper which is designed for acrylic. I saw one in a shop last week it was by Daler Rowney and had a slight texture that imitated canvas.
https://www.jacksonsart.com/en-us/daler-rowney-system-3-acrylic-pads-230-gsm-20-sheets
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That's simple to answer. If you are using acrylics with a watercolour technique then you should use watercolour paper, obvious really!

My favourite paper is Fabriano Artistico but we all have our own preferences.
Use similar brushes as for watercolour also, I use the Black Hog from Rosemary & Co. For oil painting but they could also be used for acrylic.

Robert will no doubt have some other information to pass on. Personally, I prefer to use and work with acrylics in an oil painting style, not necessarily thick impasto but not thinned down too much, I don't really see the point in that - you might as well stick to watercolour.
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Yes I have always wondered why use acrylic as water colour, instead of simply using water color itself.

Sylvia.
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That's simple to answer. If you are using acrylics with a watercolour technique then you should use watercolour paper, obvious really!

My favourite paper is Fabriano Artistico but we all have our own preferences.
Use similar brushes as for watercolour also, I use the Black Hog from Rosemary & Co. For oil painting but they could also be used for acrylic.

Robert will no doubt have some other information to pass on. Personally, I prefer to use and work with acrylics in an oil painting style, not necessarily thick impasto but not thinned down too much, I don't really see the point in that - you might as well stick to watercolour.



Hello Alan
Thank you. My question was, with hindsight, not clear. I should have explained that I hoped to move towards a less similar process to watercolour whilst not initially going straight to impasto which I don’t feel attracted to. A sort of half way gradual move to find my own level. As I said I want to experiment and to use a watercolour style to begin with. If I stick with watercolour paper I will hardly be experimenting and the reason I use the words “begin with” is that I would intend to, again, experiment with other techniques. When I had found my way. I would also see that “thinning down” as you call it to be less than that used with watercolour because as you say what would be the point. I would never see watered down- to that extent- acrylics to be even remotely attractive as compared to watercolour. In my case I would not be using brushes similar to watercolour as I use both squirrel and sable for watercolour. But thanks anyway.
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Yes I have always wondered why use acrylic as water colour, instead of simply using water color itself.


Thanks Sylvia. I think my answer is in my reply to Alan.
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Hi Larry, I'm a little confused as to your end goal, but Keora has given you a possible solution with the Daler Rowney acrylic paper. Jackson's or Rosemary & Co. have a vast array of acrylic brushes on offer, you should find something suitable there.

Good luck with your experimenting. 
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I use acrylic quite a lot these days for my abstract and semi-abstract work and I find this discussion of some interest. The point is made about 'watering' down acrylics which is something I do although not as generally described but, of course, I am not painting entirely representational work .

I usually apply the acrylic straight onto the mount from from the tube and then with a damp brush I move it around and often spray water directly onto the painting especially if the paint is beginning to dry before I want it to. Also by doing an underpainting I can scratch away at the surface 'coat' to get interesting marks and textures with the underlying colours coming through. I am about to go out but I will take a few photos later in the day and pop them on here or in the gallery to give an idea of the effects I obtain. 



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Hi Larry, having only started using acrylics last week, (usually working in watercolour or coloured pencils) I bought an acrylic paper pad by Talens. It's a thick paper with a slight pattern which I would say is between NOT and smooth watercolour paper and I found it great. One feature I found with acrylics is that if you make a mistake you can paint over it😊 I just used a damp brush and the paint worked well.
Hope this helps in some way as we both seem to be on the same learning curve.

Margaret Beynon


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Thanks Alan. I suppose that is the whole thing about experimenting, there is no defined goal. The reason I asked about the surface was because my understanding is that there are different levels of “ tooth” on canvas and canvas like surfaces and this can be an influence depending on how you paint. My question about the Black Hog to Robert was because he had recommended them or found them to be good but seeing not all brush sizes are uniform I thought I’d ask about sizes.
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Thanks Margaret
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Hahnemuhle have also got a bamboo paper which they say can be used for watercolour, acrylics and pastels. I use it for acrylics.


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Hi Larry, I have Windsor and Newton Galleria acrylic pad, a slight texture to it, I've also used it with watercolour, hope this helps, Linda 😀
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I haven't had time today to read all the other answers, so apologies if I'm repeating things already said.   But you can use acrylics on watercolour paper - you can apply acrylic 'gesso' to w/c paper if you want to, but you don't need to.  I don't much like any of the prepared papers supposedly designed for acrylics because I find them slippery and non-absorbent, though there may be one or two out there I haven't tried, of course.  But acrylics work well on Arches, heavier Bockingford, any watercolour paper with a bit of tooth. 

As for brushes, synthetics are probably the best - wide range from Rosemary & Co, but also from other suppliers; don't use sables, you'll kill 'em; black hogs were the late Syd Edward's favourites, and will work fine; in all cases, of course, rinse all the paint out of them after use.  
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Hi Larry, I went from watercolour to acrylics, and I’ve used quite a lot of different paper. I’ve used watercolour paper and it works well. I also use, Hahnemuhle 450 g/m acrylic paper, it quite thick and I find it lovely to use. I’ve also used System 3 acrylic paper, this looks like a canvas, it’s a lot thinner though. I’ve used canvas on board, and recently tried a stretched canvas. Black Hog brushes are great, all these items I got from Jackson’s.

I think you’ve just got to dive in and see how you feel, and get used to how the paint reacts. I expect you already know this, acrylic dries fast and you can’t wet it again to release it. You can buy mediums to slow it down.

I’ve painted with watery acrylic, and thick paint straight from the tube with a knife. Just enjoy it.

Ellen
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I've just posted a couple of experiments in acrylics in the gallery - they are painted on mountboard as are the majority of my acrylics. I just get off-cuts from the local framer for a contribution in a charity box. Because it's easy to come by, robust, forgiving and cost effective I've never tried watercolour paper. 



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Thanks Michael,I can't seem to find them?
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Larry - here are the links:

https://www.painters-online.co.uk/gallery/art-view,picture_244196.htm
https://www.painters-online.co.uk/gallery/art-view,picture_244197.htm

Also I've just posted another one here in the forum under April Forum Challenges.



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Larry, looks like you have lots of good suggestions here. My only one is that, I found W H Smith's own brand acrylic pads fine for when I started out with acrylic (and I still use them occasionally) - (and I am sure there are other own brand papers) - these cheaper pads are fine for trying out colour mixes/techniques etc before using beautiful expensive surfaces.


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